Here’s something interesting. Protein is a net loss metabolically. It takes more energy to break down the structure than it gives back. Incomplete protein is processed into blood glucose and promotes metabolic syndrome in much the same way carbs and sugar do. If you want to avoid hunger, eat plenty of saturated fat. Fat inspires the hormone leptin to be produced and blocks the secretion of ghrelin the hormone that triggers hunger. Leptin produces satiety.
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nostr:npub14eng8plhflea40cu3lafnw6nwkxsp5te2v7hzy74lz6a9mjhpaks0wm4rw Triglyceride Club often finds itself in violent disagreement with Amino Acid Club in other words.
You know, it’s a balance. We need consistent sets of complete amino acids, they don’t keep in our bodies though. Even meat is roughly 15%-30% garbage incomplete protein that ends up as sugar. Really high protein diets can cause problems for your kidneys, triglycerides are the preferred currency of energy in our bodies, that is why excess energy is converted to adipose tissue for storage and eventual use. The problem is of course, that we charge our fat batteries in nearly every hour we are awake. Consistent blood sugar translates to consistent presence of insulin in the blood which blocks the fatty acid metabolic pathway. Once insulin presence is consistent, it is physically impossible to loose or utilize stored fat energy. I eat as much and anything I want for one hour out of 24. I choose protein, fat, some veggies, and I avoid sugar and fruit. If I need to lose weight, I do the same one hour out of 48. I’m old, healthy, energetic, and I don’t struggle with satiety or my body weight. I can’t say it’s for everyone, but it works for me, and has for a long time.
Last time I checked, protein is not a net loss. If it were, there would be nothing left to convert to blood sugar. Proteins do provide energy - albeit slightly less than carbs per gram. Proteins are broken down into amino acids and only a surplus of amino acids is converted into sugar.
Close. Incomplete proteins are surplus amino acids because synthesis of proteins for use by the body takes complete sets of amino acids. Energy and molecules aren’t the same thing. It takes energy to break chemical bonds. The net energy taken to break protein down is more than the energy provided by the resultant glucose, there is junk left over that has to be dealt with by the kidneys. Excessively high protein diets are taxing on your kidneys over long periods of time. Protein molecule on the left, glucose on the right. 
Ah, good point! Without enough essential amino acids, you’ll have a surplus of non-essential amino acids and the liver can only store so much, so your kidneys take the hit and have to get rid of it.
Just keep in mind that incomplete proteins =/= only non-essential amino acids. Incomplete proteins also contain essential proteins, just not all 9 of them. Though, I would need to look up actual breakdowns to get a feeling for the essential / non-essential ratios.
I did look up some more information on the metabolic cost of processing proteins and it seems like there are more energy costs involved than I was taught in uni. Next to breaking down proteins into amino acids, there’s also the conversion of amino acids into other amino acids, protein synthesis, folding, transportation, posttranslational modifications and other processes.
yes, excess protein leads to two things: ammonia production and conversion to glucose, depending on the ratios of aromatic ring containing amino acids (phenylalanine, tyrosine, tryptophan) and this pH raising can cause problems with blood solubility of all kinds of things
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