how can you support welfare statism and individual monetary sovereignty at the same time?
the welfare state presupposes that you can rob from some to support others
Bitcoin makes that much harder to do
I started a Pinstr board featuring Nostr profiles of bitcoiners with progressive, left leaning, and reformist political views.
I’m not trying to make Bitcoin a partisan topic, it simply isn’t. On the other hand, there is still a strong perception that all bitcoiners are libertarian or rightwing bent.
Therefore, it’s easy for progressives to feel lonely and isolated in the Bitcoin world, even more here on Nostr. This board aims to foster a sense of belonging and connection among like-minded individuals.
If you identify as a progressive bitcoiner, please share your profile, and I'll be happy to add it to the board.
And, of course, if you'd like to be removed, just let me know. 😉
Share this note to spread the word, and reach all progressives on Nostr! Thanks!
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is that true though?
people are decent and it is perfectly reasonable to pay for welfare voluntarily.
People obviously already donate a lot for causes and philantrophy is a thing as well.
Now in a bitcoin world a lot will be so different that it is unclear what will be needed in the end, but onpy because you are pro bitcoin doesnt mean you have to be a selfish asshole who doesnt give a damn about others.
You can see this when people voluntarily organise to help after Hurrican Milton and many other examples are to be found everywhere 🙂
libertarians aren't necessarily opposed to private charity, volunteering, etc
as OP indicates he is specifically non-libertarian this means he A) doesn't understand libertarianism or B) wishes to resolve disputes in a way that favors some groups above others on an arbitrary basis or C) both
if you assume political equality / non-favoritism you can't have
-taxation
(which presumes some people have a right to take the property of others but not the other way around)
-legislative decrees
(which presume that some people have the right to enforce arbitrary rules on others but not the other way around)
and therefore cannot have a centralized authority to enforce your desired social reforms and therefore cannot be a progressive
If you nevertheless remain a progressive, what gives (or anyone else) the right to determine which social reforms shall be enforced? Why do you get to be the boot and not the face? And how confident are you that your team will remain the boot forever?
*what gives you
How about we discuss things instead to find out? 😉
If you check wikipedia or what have you, you might find an exact scientific definition of terms - but more often than that, you might find that the definition is broad enough and there are different groups defining terms slightly differently with some room for interpretation. That is almost always true for general terms such as "libertarian", "capitalist", "anarchist", "communist" ...any such terms mostly makes it impossible to make any progress ...same with relgious concepts like "god" :-) ... instead of discussing a specific issue, things get generalized and no progress cant be made, because using the general terms, we always know exactly that a specific set of terms does not vibe with another specific set of terms and whatever set you affiliate with ...makes you pick a camp to fight the other ... wasting time, making no progress either.
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That said though:
Instead of assuming A, B or C, why not ask and find out? :-)
Why should we keep it at ...libertarians are not progressive, what are they? backwards? 🥳 ...and what does progressive even mean?
Let's be honest - these kind of discussion just associates oneself with specific labels - it's a way of joining team foo or team bar.
It's pointless.
I can see value in bringing more people to bitcoin and nostr.
The protocols work in a specific way and thats already valuable.
What people like to wear or what type of music they like to listen to - it's just personal vibes, who cares?
I could give you multiple reasons to be both an advocate of sound money and a supporter of social welfare.
Here is one: I value universal healthcare. I like that everybody, no matter their income, has access to the same healthcare services. I live in a place where healthcare is excellent, and I do not feel robbed when paying my taxes.
I do believe that a transition to a Bitcoin standard would benefit both individuals and society.
"I do not feel robbed when paying my taxes"
so what? if you get mugged and you don't "feel robbed" you still got robbed
And your subjective feelings don't entitle you to rob others
So, now I rob others ...
I'm a thief because I want equal access to healthcare, education, ...
We might share the view that Bitcoin is a better money, but I'm afraid it ends there.
You want "equal access" to my wallet to pay for things you regard as important
Pay for your own healthcare and education, you lazy bum!
I'd love it if you could have a conversation without insulting me.
Anyway, why alienate from Bitcoin people that have different political views? They are not going to disappear just to please you.
If you didn't pay taxes for "universal healthcare" would you not have more $ to afford (usually much higher quality) private care?
I might (if I'm quite wealthy and not too sick). 😉
But what about those that are just earning enough to make a living?
I'd like they could have my same chances to get well when sick.
"same chances to get well when sick"
Your desire for health equality must come at the expense of political equality
Some are allowed to tax others, but not the other way around
Moreover, how do you think this all worked prior to state intervention in healthcare? I happen to know that in the early 1900s Americans worked 5 days per year on average to pay for healthcare, and now it is over 50.
Perhaps you are ignorant of the history of mutual aid societies, doctors providing free or discounted care to the indigent, and religious/charitable provision of care (notice how many hospitals are named "Saint so-and-so").
Perhaps your generous self could start a fund out of your own pocket, and invite those who wish to help to also donate their wealth.
Rather than wanting the gov't to steal wealth from others who may not hold the same beliefs.
Sorry but Bitcoiners see through your good intentions to the bad ideas hidden beneath.
Bully’s & barbarism + combined with world wide wars + narrative warfare campaign to brainwash
99% of humans from rising & demanding the top 1% pay their fair share
Humans always human. 🫂🙏
you are going to disappear from political power though. people are sick of being robbed.
sorry commie but all taxes are theft