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I get what you're saying. The mere fact that an evaluation is being made on which tribe was "objectively better" requires a subjective presupposition, otherwise how can it be known it is better?

What is keeping someone from declaring the dying tribe from being evaluated as the "better" one?

Robot Lightning 1y ago

Well my proposition is that survival of the fittest is a way to prove objective moral value. The axiom is that the survivor is the fittest.

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Chrys 1y ago

Having a Value Axiom proves that the conclusion is NOT an "objective moral value"

Its an evaluation based on the arbitrary axiomatic framework.

Mental frameworks always precede observables.

sommerfeld 1y ago

I don't think you can make any logical argument without an axiom. Nothing exists in a vacuum.

Chrys 1y ago

I'm not saying Axioms by themselves are illogical. Moral axioms cannot be derived from observables, thats all.

They're "good" or "bad" because of some arbitrary Moral claim, within a relativistic worldview.