No that is your straw man against my opinion. There is a diminishing return to calorie intake. Mass gainers will push people over the edge into a healthy calorie surplus given they eat normal meals. If your baseline is 200g a protein a day and you eat a total of 2000 calories and that is your maintenance level you will gain less muscle than if you had eaten the same protein and had 3000 calories, putting you in a caloric surplus.
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“There is a diminishing return to calorie intake.”
Finally you admit it. Okay so how do you calculate the diminishing returns?
That was never my argument. This was your straw man the whole time.
Answer my question
I don't have an answer to your straw man argument. You are clearly out of your depth. I would suggest reading back through my previous answers to help educate yourself.
Why can’t you answer the question? How many calories should I eat? You told me to do a surplus but that there are diminishing returns. How much should I eat then? 5k? 10k?
That's up to you to figure out how many to eat. There is no answer besides how your body behaves. I can tell you 9/10 times if the scale is not moving up you're either 1) not going hard enough 2) not eating enough.
You’re full of shit. You have no fucking clue what that threshold is.
Your body weight should match your protein intake in grams, if you're 150lbs aim for 150g of animal protein daily and enough carbs where you're not getting fat super fast. If you're getting fat too fast add in more cardio or less carbs.
150 grams of protein is 600 calories. That’s not even close to surplus. What else am I supposed to eat then?
Carbs and fat (probably enough fat in the meats you consume) after that.
How many grams/calories?
I would focus on feeling satiated over counting calories first. Eat until you're slightly uncomfortably full.
Whatever your body weight in lbs try to get that many grams of protein in. Something like a half lb of ground beef for lunch and dinner (1lb a day) a few times per week, 4-5 eggs is also a good breakfast. I try and eat consistent .5lb to 1lb of beef a day and 4-5 eggs at breakfast / lunch and a few bowls of cereal mixed in. Supplement with protein powder or mass gainer to hit your protein goal.
When I'm cutting I usually do 50g protein (two scoops whey) shake during my lifts. When bulking do 50g protein (1 scoop whey, 1 scoop mass gainer)
I try to keep my diet constant and use the mass gainer during my bulking. When cutting lower the mass gainer or eliminate it completely for awhile.
So my food consumption always stays relatively constant and my bulking and cutting is just controlled by my mass gainer. The food is constant and the mass gainer controls my weight if that makes sense.
Moving the goalposts. Eating until you’re slightly uncomfortable is not a a significant calorie surplus that justifies a mass gainer.
How many calories from fat and carbs do I need to reach the calorie surplus threshold?
That depends on your size and body composition. Only you can figure that out. Just aim for the protein goal of your body weight to grams of protein and build your diet around that. 3-4g of carbs per 1lb of body weight. 1 cup of pasta or rice with a half lb to a lb of ground beef is a great starting meal. Hit the protein goal and build around that. Dont focus on the calories until you get the protein and carb goal. You can refine after that.
Let’s say I’m average. 150 pounds and 5’10 with an average body composition. How many calories do I need?
This doesn’t tell me how many calories I need to meet the calorie surplus threshold for maximum muscle growth. At this point you’re just dodging the issue and I’m going to assume you’re wrong but won’t admit it or refuse to believe it. Enjoy the mass gainer. I bet you’ve never had visible abs before.
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Enjoy being eternally unhappy. I don't think you can be redeemed. Tried my best. ✌🏼
And you enjoy those mass gainers. Hope you don’t develop insulin resistance.
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The best diet for muscles is something like eggs, beef, milk for protein and rice for your carbs. The simpler the diet the better.