GM Nostr. I'm on both Mastodon and Nostr, and it's fun to see how decentralised tech folks react to each other.

Folks on Fedi: You're on Nostr? You nasty, vile crypto bro, closet MAGA excuse of a "libertarian", misogynistic, anti-LGBT, Christian fundamentalist…

Folks on Nostr: Why are you even on Fedi? It's boring, full of communists acting like Karens at each other. Are you a German naturalist or something?

Alright folks, you caught me!

#gm #memestr #decentralisation #activityPub #nostr #bubbleBursting

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Having to comment just so folks can't pretend they didn’t get the irony is the state of the internet in 2025.

Just to be clear: I love you all. Please keep building decentralised tech and be as tribal as you want. It’s healthy in a way.

If you decide to pay me a visit on the “rival” network, you’ll realise that you’re simultaneously right and wrong. Human nature and societal organisation are both… complex. Stereotypes are convenient, but by definition, they never tell the whole story.

it would be nice a podcast. it's all true, 90% of the cases

I forgot to include: "Are you running one of those independent podcasts that maybe five people listen to?" in the Nostr stereotype bit 🤣

Well, yes... But then again, being part of the weird 10% of misfits within the already tiny pool of decentralised social media users (who are mostly misfits from the mainstream platforms) is kind of the best build.

do they really say that about nostr?

Sorry, I wasn’t notified about this post. I’m glad the thread got revived and I got to see it.

Yes, I did have a few conversations that went pretty much like the above, which triggered me to write this post.

Of course, by definition, “they” is always an overgeneralisation. I’d say most people on Fedi are not even aware of Nostr’s existence. Some see it as a social media platform for crypto folks. Some are aware of it and are very cool about it. For example, I posted the same stuff on Mastodon and the lead developer behind LMDB replied that he doesn’t use Nostr himself but was happy about his software being used here: 🔗 https://mastodon.social/users/hyc/statuses/114789296312141399

Overall, IMO, human behaviour distribution mostly tends towards 10% Tribal Zealots, 10% Contrarians, and 80% who are not that passionate one way or another.

what benefits are there for being on both mastodon and nostr?

always thinking of signing up, but i don't know if the mostr bridge is already doing the work for me 🤔

Let me see if I can sum up my thoughts (this one is going to be long, apologies in advance).

The Fediverse is the bigger, older network. It’s really hard to reach all the right corners and instances, as a lot of them block each other and self-hosted instances like mine. I’ll try not to bash Mostr too hard, but the truth is… a lot of the good content I consume on Mastodon doesn’t make it across the bridge. Unfortunately, a lot of the content I want to avoid from the Fediverse does, to the point that I’m blocking all npubs with a NIP-05 from Mostr. This is not a statement against Mastodon or the author of the bridge. It’s just acknowledging that the ratio of crap to good content makes the bridge not worth it for me.

There’s a lot of great content on Mastodon, e.g., about Software Engineering, FOSS, Cyber Security, Retro Computing (even relatively niche things such as FPGA emulation communities, decompilations, etc). But you have to dig hard to find it, often by finding and impoting (not exactely up to date) follow lists externally.

And even on the political side of things, I like the balance of engaging with folks from different backgrounds and beliefs. I exist somewhere between the 25-year-old sovereign citizen with laser eyes on Nostr talking about privately building bridges (while barely able to assemble IKEA furniture by themselves) and the stereotypical 50-year-old self-declared communist working for IBM while trying to kickstart a revolution against the bourgeoisie on Mastodon. Having proper access to both sides helps me maintain some balance and cynicism about the state of things, while also connecting with the humans behind the BS. I do my best to understand both extremes and enjoy what they have to offer (and yes, folks on both extremes are still human and building interesting stuff).

Protocol-wise, I think Nostr has an edge. Not because it’s necessarily better designed (it isn’t), but because it’s relatively simple and approaches things from a best-effort, early-internet angle. Basically, anyone can teach themselves enough about WebSockets and JSON to build something on Nostr. Meanwhile, ActivityPub has a more “enterprisey” mindset, which feels great for folks like me but can be challenging for newcomers just trying to hack together something interesting. Also, mixing client and server in Mastodon, having a verbose protocol that can inadvertently DDoS legitimate instances, and binding user identity and content to specific instances are all architectural trade-offs that I dislike.

So, my take is that I still get more out of the Fediverse content-wise, but Nostr is the sort of protocol I’d like to see winning if we’re thinking of a web closer to what the early internet used to be.

Another important point is onboarding folks to decentralised socisl mefis. It’s certainly easier to convince the typical Java Champion, book author, PhD at Fancy University / Assistant Professor at another Fancy University who only posts on LinkedIn to join a “tame” Mastodon instance than to join Nostr. To be honest, I find it hard to onboard and retain anyone from my outside network here. The real proposition is that they’ll basically be posting to themselves using hashtags, surrounded by the whole BTC / carnivorous diet / right-wing pseudo-libertarian US-centred politics and all the scientific denial on Nostr. Very few people are willing to do that. Also, a lot of the content here simply doesn’t make sense from a European perspective (for example, nobody cares if you drink or sell raw milk).

Still, for all its advantages, Mastodon and the Fediverse have their problems: a particular brand of web moralism, tight moderation on major instances, cancel culture, and friendly fire against science. It can get boring and “sterile” pretty quickly. I find myself spending more and more time on Nostr... Again, not because of the content per se, but because I’ve made some proper human connections here. There's skme really cool people here behind the pseudonyms. Once you break into Nostr, you get genuine human engagement. Things feel more alive here, even though there’s less content to look at and much less engagement overall... It just feels more genuine... It's hard to explain. You know what I mean?

Hopefully, this gives a good overview of why I’m on both networks. A lot of people here on Nostr have had terrible experiences on the Fediverse; they were cancelled for their beliefs, blocked from big instances, etc. I have no reason not to believe what they are saying, and knowing the mechanics of Mastodon moderation and reading some of what they post on Nostr, I do believe them. Having said that, it isn’t my case at all. I still maintain healthy connections and a well-curated feeds on Fedi. I also have connections who are allergic to Nostr and anything even slightly related to “crypto.” There’s no convincing them otherwise, and I still love them regardless. So, I’m happy to maintain a presence on both networks; even though, development-wise, my focus has almost entirely shifted to Nostr.

Good writeup, for me personally its reverse. I had such bad experiences with a big mastodon instance with the tusky dev slandering me and then being dogpiled and banned that ill never return. All because I advocated for not blocking instances from anything but the global timeline. For me I don't mind if I don't see these absolutely vile hostile instances anymore that think blocking half the network is a good thing. The instances on the good side of that firewall come across to here.

Haha what a refreshing post to start a day :D

Happy to find some great humore on nostr.

Thanks. The funny thing is that I wrote this post on 3 July. I have no idea why it’s only appearing on people’s timelines today (but I’ll take it :)).

Reality is weird and our influence is minimal. Great to hear, that sometimes old posts get a revival, when they hit a nerve ;)

💯 I enjoy “revivals". Clients should build better features so that users can catch up with their followers content and maybe show a random old post in your feed once in a while. It certainly improves discoverability.

No I am for lowest possible algorythms. 100% user control. Scroll through someones timeline and you get what you want ;)

We can have both (although I don’t want algorithms by default myself either). Scrolling through everyone’s timelines individually is quite time-consuming. I definitely miss a Fedilab-like “catch up” feature where my feeds are kept exactly where I left off so I can simply come back; or click twice to “skip” and go straight to the top of the feed. Feeds are still linear, but IMO, this is a much better user experience.

Nostur has something like this, but I don’t have an iPhone and I really don’t like social media scrolling on macOS. This is definitely something I’d like to see on Amethyst and similar mobile clients.

I rather like when there is consistancy within a feed. So either I have a feed that displays most liked past notes, most zapped past notes, most commented past notes or it is chronically.

I feel something else would rather confuse me. But may I will learn that your idea is better that what I imagine. I just do not see how there could be a good random algorythm without taking away my freedom.