Nostr Web Client

Where do you host your web services?

Heroku is expensive and Koyeb doesn’t support apex domains (which means I can’t have NIP05)

I’m looking at Cloudflare now, but I’m hoping someone with more experience can give some advice

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Rizful.com 10mo ago

Heroku or digitial ocean.

lemon 10mo ago

Thank you friend 🙏

Will look into digital ocean

Maybe I’m doing something wrong with Heroku or maybe my programming skills aren’t there yet, but it costs $50 for 1GB of RAM and some of my usage occasionally goes over the 512MB

It also bothers me that there’s no dark mode, but that’s a small thing

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Mephi 10mo ago

Please avoid CloudFlare. They're destroying the internet, and I won't be the only person forced to avoid using your service because of their racist policies of just blocking anyone from particular parts of the world, and their absolute disregard for people's privacy for blocking anyone that uses a popular VPN service to get around it.

I just click back whenever I see a CloudFlare verification. They rarely let me through anyway, and are fucking scum even if they do.

verbiricha 10mo ago

I use Vercel, super easy and convenient

Bitflare 10mo ago

I know that github pages is limited, but it supports apex domains, so it works nicely with NIP-05

beejay 10mo ago

I'm thinking about1984 hosting Iceland

https://1984.hosting/

or Njalla https://njal.la/

semisol 10mo ago

Hetzner

lemon 9mo ago

Hetzner was another recommendation that I came across because it has great price to performance, but it needs my address and payment information just to create an account?

semisol 9mo ago

yes because that is how invoicing works

lemon 9mo ago

I love how sassy you are

That’s why I follow you

Because every note carries with it the tone of “you’re an idiot”

Never change 😂

fiatjaf 9mo ago

https://lnvps.com/

lemon 9mo ago

Very interesting! Thanks for sending this over!

I’m trying it now, but having some issues

Who built it so I can follow them?

lemon 9mo ago

How do you manage secrets?

I previously relied on environmental variables, but I'm learning there are limitations with that practice

semisol 9mo ago

a secrets.json/yaml/file format here

and listed in .gitignore

problem solved

anything else is unnecessarily complicated unless you have more than 2 servers and frequently changing secrets

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

i use an allow list pattern on my gitignores, this way only stuff i mean to be in there is caught, everything else gets ignored

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 9mo ago

https://github.com/mleku/realy/blob/dev/.gitignore

been using this since i had a colleague include a node_modules in our fiat mine project a year ago

this list will pretty much keep anything useful, just don't use .txt for secret files lol

lemon 9mo ago

Wouldn’t the owner of the hardware have root access to the secrets.json file?

I may be misunderstanding

How is that better than environmental variables?

semisol 9mo ago

More flexibility

fiatjaf 9mo ago

Environment variables. Specify them in the systemd service file. What is the problem with them?

I don't have many secrets to be honest.

lemon 9mo ago

Wouldn’t the owner of the hardware have root access to them?

fiatjaf 9mo ago

Definitely. If you want absolute secrecy you have to run your own (or trust Intel SGX but that's too complicated).

You can also precompile secrets inside the binary you deploy, the owner of the hardware still has access but it makes their lives harder. Or you can load the secrets from somewhere else on startup and keep them in memory, again they can still access but it's harder.

lemon 9mo ago

This is actually so epic, thanks again for sending this over!

nostr:nprofile1qqsx8lnrrrw9skpulctgzruxm5y7rzlaw64tcf9qpqww9pt0xvzsfmgrefsyl great job on this! I’m enjoying using it so far

Is it open source?

lemon 9mo ago

Also, would you consider doing payments per hour like traditional services instead of a single monthly payment?

Maybe there’s a better way, but in mind I see it as the user pays a deposit to a wallet for the service and can extend as needed (which you have currently), but the amount paid is deducted every hour so if the server is down or suspended then the payment is paused

I think I’d be more inclined to deposit more money upfront knowing it’s depleted based on usage (instead of monthly)

Does that make sense?

lemon 9mo ago

Another thought:

This would be crazy as a DVM

Minimal inputs: server OS, ssh key encrypted

DVM replies with lightning invoice

User pays invoice

DVM replies with encrypted IP, DNS, etc

Then AI agents can spin up servers without API keys 🤯

fiatjaf 9mo ago

My impression is that the traditional way is charging per month, not per hour.

Rand 9mo ago

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