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if it's not dangerous (below my trashold) I won't vaccinate.

what's wrong with my math?

Do you remember all the lies about Covid deaths? I remember reading articles about hospitals getting thousands of dollars for every reported Covid death. There was an article about a guy that died in a fucking motorcycle accident and they said it was a Covid death. My friend’s father died during Covid due to a head injury. He was literally brain dead from a fall and they wanted to label it as a Covid death. He threatened to sue them for it. Do you think this is the first time they lied and manipulated data to suit their needs? If you actually have the courage to protect your family, read this book. It goes into the bogus history of vaccines and the faked numbers and suppressed testimonies of people who were hurt by the “amazing vaccines.” There are dozens of books written by doctors and doctors who had their licenses revoked simply for questioning the benefits of vaccines. Look up videos of RFK or articles about vaccine injury in Africa. Bill Gates funded vaccine studies in Africa and these innocent young girls became infertile and/or became disabled. That’s not a risk worth taking. And this is not how an industry behaves when their product is actually useful. This is how you behave when you cover up a lie. Notice the difference in the way they treat people who claim that the earth is flat or aliens exist. They don’t really care. Sure they mock them but no one’s livelihood is attacked. No one loses their job. But question vaccines? Then go at you hard. The same thing happens with cholesterol.

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Diacone Frost 5mo ago 💬 3

Yes covid vaccines were weaponized.

Doesn't mean they are all bad.

I read at 9 books on this topic. I believe I do have information I need.

Don't bring politicians and oligarchs into the discussion. They are all liers.

You're being dogmatic.

I think we can agree that mandatory plans are evil and we disagree on vaccines as a whole.

I'll wrap it up here.

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MAHDOOD 5mo ago 💬 3

Yes I’m being dogmatic about vaccines. Unvaccinated children do not have worse health outcomes.

Source:

https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/3fd8/df559fa29b045887c94b5aa2fda2a930f5aa.pdf

Undisciplined 5mo ago 💬 2

I fully support looking into the available evidence on this topic.

There are interpretation issues due to selection bias with these things, that have to be kept in mind.

Office visits are not equivalent to any particular health outcome. To even use them as a proxy requires an assumption that parents of unvaccinated kids are just as likely to take their kids to the doctor.

That seems highly unlikely. Another interpretation of these charts is that parents who don't get vaccines for their kids also forego other medical interventions.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago 💬 1

My understanding is that this data is only on kids that come in for regular visits. It’s a pediatrician who collected the data then go his license revoked. Obviously noticing that vaccinated kids are sicker than unvaccinated kids is malpractice.

Undisciplined 5mo ago 💬 1

Yeah, that helps, but it doesn't totally address the selection issue. Parents willing to forego vaccines will differ in other ways too, even if one element is accounted for.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago 💬 1

It would be ideal if they just compared vaccinated to unvaccinated people in general but it’s hard to when you’re risking your career over it. Thank big pharma for that.

Undisciplined 5mo ago 💬 1

For sure. We already know how to do this well, based on experimental designs that were used to study the effects of smoking on pregnancy.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

I’m not familiar with those designs

FiddleHodlHomestead 5mo ago 💬 1

There are at least two US doctors who kept long term records of their vaccinated vs unvaccinated patients. It's likely that parents who forgo vaccinations are less likely in general to take their kids to the doctor, but the differences in diagnoses probably need more explanation than that.

Undisciplined 5mo ago

No doubt. Each piece of evidence adds to the case and reduces the set of things that still need to be ruled out.

Dave Nicholls 5mo ago

Spread the word! Truth will out

sitting at an airport bar 5mo ago 💬 2

Huh? Over 93% of the population is vaccinated with something so yea these lines are obvious. Doesn’t take a genius to figure out that if 93 out of a hundred people have been vaccinated than there would be more hospital visits from that group.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

“The number of office visits for the unvaccinated is adjusted by a sample size multiplier factor (4.9) to the expected value as if the number of unvaccinated in the study was the same as the number of vaccinated.”

FiddleHodlHomestead 5mo ago 💬 1

I think it's adjusted

sitting at an airport bar 5mo ago 💬 1

You think or you know. Matters.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Already answered your question

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matevz 5mo ago 💬 2

Vaccinated against what?

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Link to the study is there

matevz 5mo ago 💬 2

It doesn't say.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

“We compiled and presented the number of diagnoses for infections targeted by vaccines (considering the CDC pediatric schedule) in the vaccinated and unvaccinated groups in the full cohort. We evaluated each vaccine targeted infection individually and analyzed the association between vaccination status and overall occurrence of vaccine-targeted infections using vaccine-targeted diagnoses.”

matevz 5mo ago

It's a chicken and egg problem. e.g. For measles the herd vaccination protects unvaccinated minority from even getting it. They should compare TBE or malaria occurrences which are not part of the pediatric schedule. But ofc those diseases are more rare, so that's why they're not part of the schedule.

FYI in YU we used to get vaccinated against https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Yugoslav_smallpox_outbreak. The disease was successfully eradicated so this was removed from the pediatric schedule in 20 years or so.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

These are all minor issues where willingness to interact with the medical system affects reporting rates. By being vaccinated that group has indicated higher willingness to interact with the medical system.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Does it say that the unvaccinated were less willing to go to their doctor visits?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

By definition they interact with doctors less because we started from saying they avoided a medical procedure, it is recursive.

Are you really going to argue that after the vaccine decision they make every other medical decision identically? That doesn't align with human psychology or behavior. Every change in behavior is an uncontrolled confounding variable. In this case basic logic shows us that those variables will tilt the scale in a known direction.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

They still go in for the regular visits and checkups what do you mean. They just don’t go for emergencies and hospitalizations as much.

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

No, they don't interact with doctors in the same way. Christian Scientists for example are unvaccinated and completely avoid the medical establishment believing that all medical interventions violate gods will.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Did you read the study I posted?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

They did not properly control for willingness to interact with the medical establishment.

No single medical decision is in isolation. They arise out of a system of beliefs that affects your every decision.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

But hospitalizations are still lower right? There are still times when you have to go

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

If you are unconscious after a car accident you don't get a say, the ambulance is going to take you.

For everything else you get a say. Your own beliefs, I'm fine without a doctor or I need help to be healthy, will shade every decision.

All of your "worse among the vaccinated" examples are things a stubborn person could choose to just ignore.

My nose runs sometimes. Do I self diagnose with allergies that I report to a doctor or blow my nose and forget about it?

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

If that behavior was problematic or unhealthy, it would inevitably lead to severe negative consequences. If they don’t lead to severe negative consequences, then who is to say that the unvaccinated are not better off?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

We don't know, or do we? The gold standard here would be all cause mortality at various ages compared between the two groups. No one is faking or downplaying their death to minimize a health issue to their doctor.

Even that would be a muddy number. I know more than 1 man who has nearly died because they tried to avoid a hospital visit they needed, myself included.

Sepsis from minor cuts, burst appendixes, ignored heart attacks, and so on.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

And why won’t they do any studies comparing those two groups? Why do they revoke licenses of doctors who try?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

That depends on the quality of the study. Wakefield, the OG vaccine autism guy, lost his license because he faked the data. He admitted to it under oath. It requires no epidemiological understanding to prove it. Real world data looks different under statistical analysis than made up data. His data was made up. In the trial they proved he made up the data and outed his motives for lying.

There are lots of quirks of numbers that will give you away. Go look up the 1 paradox how numbers generated by humans for any purpose are most likely to start with a 1, not an even distribution of the 9 digits.

Beyond that we would need to go case by case. Maybe the person deserved it maybe they didn't. I don't think the system is perfect. I already talked about how their slow adoption of new knowledge personally hurt me with leaky gut.

Look at Newtonian physics vs general relativity. Science advanced. Here is the thing though. People knew about problems with Newtonian physics. Sometimes it worked and sometimes the math wasn't quite right. General relativity wasn't just an opposition to Newtonian physics. In order to be adopted the math has to explain everything that Newtonian physics does equal or better and solve some of its problems. If your new solution doesn't fit with what we know to be true it gets thrown out right out of the gate unless you can also prove that other knowledge is wrong somehow.

Walk into a room of Mathematicians and declare 2+2+2=7 because 2+2=5 and 5+2=7. You'll get laughed out of the room and no one is going to call you a Mathematician anymore. They shouldn't. You made a basic mistake in mathematics and insisted you were right rather than saying oops when it turned out you didn't even have the knowledge you were trying to overturn right. Since this is medicine human safety is on the line and they should take your license just like that mathmatician shouldn't be allowed to calculate safe bridge loads and spans anymore.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

Idk a lot about Andrew Wakefield but why would he fake numbers like that? What does he have to gain by doing so? I can see why big pharma would fake those numbers as it very profitable.

And didn’t you say that viruses are always evolving and changing? So how does a vaccine give you immunity when viruses are hardly ever the same?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago 💬 2

He held a patent for a competing immunization method for MMR so he stood to benefit financially if he could show a problem with the existing MMR vaccine. His "study" was also proven to have been funded by the lawyers he used to sue the vaccine manufacturer, which shows entire thing was premeditated.

Saying viruses is a big umbrella for a lot of similar organisms. Like fungi, big umbrella term that collects things that will kill you, make you high as fuck, just taste good, or maybe improve your health. Each virus is different and some of them mutate more or less from generation to generation. Slow mutating viruses are easier to vaccinate for while faster mutating viruses like annual flu have vaccines that must constantly change and still only sort of work at best.

MAHDOOD 5mo ago

So why hasn’t the Covid vaccine actually been effective?

Bill Cypher 5mo ago

Covid is a fast mutater. The entire cold/flu subgenre of viruses is. Cold so fast they don't even both trying to make a vaccine.

(Breaking my own rule here but I've explained this before on nostr and survived)

The way the covid vaccine is supposed to work is this. The spikes we all saw in the pictures were just the shell. The replicator part of the virus was inside the ball. So, they made spikey balls without the replicator code inside them and inject them into you. Now your immune system learns to recognize the virus shape with a controlled exposure that can't copy itself and overrun your body.

Here is where it all falls down. The "symptoms" of cold and flu are actually your immune system response. The virus would happily just use your cells to copy itself without turning you into a walking snot bubble. Those symptoms make you stay home and spread it less, worse for the viruses evolutionary mandate to maximize copies of itself. All that snot is there to literally physically remove virus cells in sneezes. Too bad if you catch a virus booger in the eye, my body just wants to protect my genes in that moment and you might not even be related. Fever because you are trying to raise your temperature too high for the virus. And so on with various symptoms.

So, strictly speaking the covid virus never killed anyone. The immune system overeacted so hard in some people that their own immune system killed them. This was known relatively early, remember them talking about the cytokine storm? Cytokines are not virus particles they are a part of your immune system. Now that is a distinction without a difference to the dead and had they not been exposed to covid their immune system would not have self destructed like that.

Beyond here we leave the realm of established science and enter the realm of Bill Cyphers personal theories. That was background knowledge. Now you can enter the ultra elite covid conspiracy that as far as I know has 1 believer.

So here is what I can't help but notice. The vaccine harm complaints and long covid complaints are the same symptoms. The alleged vaccine deaths, hard to validate for political reasons, have the same direct causes of death as covid deaths. Put the lists side by side for yourself.

I think where they fucked up was they failed to properly comprehend ahead of time that the immune system was what was killing covid patients if they died. They knew it but they didn't see how it affects the vaccine. Vaccine theory is always controlled volume exposure of a form that cannot replicate so that the immune system can learn to respond quickly and beat that virus before it gets out of hand.

So it wasn't the guts of the ball that was causing people's immune systems to take up self harm like an angsty goth girl. It was the spike ball shape. Oops. Now we have a vaccine that does the exact same harm as the virus.

Maybe they didn't know. Maybe they did and they figured that the smaller dose that can't replicate will cause a less severe immune reaction so they did it anyway.

Now, we get back to lawyers corrupting the system like I talked about before. If they recall that is an admission of guilt that will open them up to lawsuits by everyone who got a covid vaccine. Better to slowly fade out the level of pressure to get it until they can claim lack of demand.

matevz 5mo ago

No, we don't remember all the lies. My coworker, a 45 yo diabetes patient, was in coma for 2 months after being diagnosed covid. Then she had another 6 months of rehabilitation to get back on her feet and now she's half-time employed. She has focus issues and regular headaches. Please stop spreading lies about covid disease being a non-issue.

The same goes for other diseases where vaccines can help. OFC it doesn't make sense to you while you and your close ones are healthy.