A dedicated #GrapheneOS device with nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n Green installed directly via Obtanium and verified with AppVerifier is a great way to interface with the new #Jade Plus.
Discussion
nice, what do you think of jade plus and why are you linking your hw with your phone ?
1. The Jade Plus is a big improvement all around. The metal version is a bit weightier and feels nice, albeit less stealthy (it's metal). The nav buttons need an upgrade; currently feel sticky and not very tactile. Screen is great. Cam is great. I want to see NFC next, vs USBc/BT/QR modes.
2. The Jade Plus is for managing offline keys, you still need to interface with Green or other option (like Sparrow etc). Those things must be installed on a computer. #GrapheneOS, especially dedicated, is going to be easier to maintain and more secure than a laptop for this purpose. You can use QR mode to prevent a direct connection between the Jade Plus and the signing interface on the device. The coupling is very loose; so I wouldnt characterize it as "linking your hw with your phone". Plus, this is a dedicated device for this purpose only, not my daily driver.
nice, my main reason why i use a computer is that i can run a node on it, so are you connecting your node to the phone or you using a public node ?
i didn’t know that a dedicated grapheneos phone is more secure than a laptop
It is, and it's not even close. cc nostr:npub1235tem4hfn34edqh8hxfja9amty73998f0eagnuu4zm423s9e8ksdg0ht5.
For a node, I recommend the Start9 Pure which can run 24/7 - https://store.start9.com/products/server-pure
A laptop which fully contains the entire setup is a good option if you know how to secure it. I have a setup like that as well (Fedora Silverblue + Sparrow + Start9 in VM).
Just got Jade Plus, here’s my “before plugging it in review” and @Laser is right about these buttons:
Buttons:
- Weirdly sticky. It’s a consistent millisecond stick.
- Too much lateral wiggle. I have a full 1mm of lateral wiggle on the button near the lanyard hole, not the other.
- The two identical buttons click differently.
- Click sounds hollow, you want a tighter, denser click.
Buttons are important, just like the car door close test in auto sales. They are a tactile and sensory indicator of overall build quality and the user’s physical connection to what’s within. It’s so important to satisfy visual, auditory and touch with buttons. If I’m sending sats, I want it to feel like I’m sending sats!
If you want tactile buttons, look to the hardware synth community, these guys are obsessed with this stuff.
Camera:
Something feels a little cheap where the plastic meets the lens cover. I’d like to see that whole top 1/3rd casing be camera glass. Consider aligning lens centre with the center of the side button.
**The Good
Weight:
Wallets should have heft, this metal one does and it makes you feel important.
Minimalist design:
Great to see just a clean logo with no “Blockstream” text. This signifies confidence and a nod to stealth.
Body Machining:
Smooth and well fitting
this negates the need for a hardware device to begin with.
What makes you say that?
Omg that is incredible!!
Excited to try #Starlink Direct-To-Cell later this year, making this rig global and immune to grid down emergencies.
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more of this!
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You keep making posts I need to screenshot.
Two things I'd like to see:
1. NFC support added to the nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n Jade Plus. Teaching friends and family to shuttle transactions over QR code is confusing for them, and having to side load firmware with a dongle makes the UX even more impractical. NFC could maintain "cold" contact between the #GrapheneOS device and the Jade for both transactions and firmware upgrades. A big improvement in experience that anyone could use with similar security benefits.
2. Built-in node for nostr:npub1jg552aulj07skd6e7y2hu0vl5g8nl5jvfw8jhn6jpjk0vjd0waksvl6n8n Green. Today I need to configure Green to point my remotely running node, but that weighs on this setup because (A) I need to maintain and administer another machine and (B) I need to Uncle Jim for friends and family. It would be much nicer if Green packaged it's own (optional) #Bitcoin node internally. Today, mobile devices don't have the disk for the full timechain, but the latest devices are clocking north or 200gb internal storage, and that's only going to get better. Companies are also starting to ship phone-native storage expansions up to 1TB, like this Zike magnetic extended storage product, pictured. Green could detect available space and allow for a truncated timechain when needed. This would also make Green a mean road warrior. The time for mobile nodes is here.
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This setup will avoid the problem of authorities being able to "prove" you have #Bitcoin in your possession.
1. A powered off #GrapheneOS device is completely E2EE encrypted at rest with nothing in memory. Plausible deniability: I forgot the password/PIN.
2. Green can be set not to remember previously accessed wallets, leaving no trace behind on the device. This allows you to grant access to the device if need being, and it will look pretty bare bones.
3. This leaves the Jade, which either has some state (if using PIN server) or none, if using #SeedQR. In both cases, ample plausibility exists in either "I forgot the pin", or "I've never set it up or truly used it".
This level of plausible deniability is critical as the State becomes more agressive with seizure.
This is one of the biggest reasons I've stopped having IRL friends and family use and maintain a dedicated laptop: too much risk of seizure if they don't know what they're doing.
#Bitcoin
Gm I've gotten several good reviews from IRL contacts on this setup. 👍
Is AppVerifier an andriod app? If so, did you download it from Obtainium also?
Via Obtainium.
Thanks!
Google Play to ban "unlicensed" crypto wallets to ensure "safe and compliant" ecosystem.
For the United States, " The developer must be either (a) registered with FinCEN as a Money Services Business and with a state as a money transmitter or (b) a federal or state chartered bank entity. "
🧾 - https://support.google.com/googleplay/android-developer/answer/16329703?hl=en
Does this axe @Blockstream Green for normies on Android?
The setup I've detailed here would remain unaffected by app store capture.