Telling end users to fork a Nostr client over any feature they don’t like is unrealistic advice. 
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Yes.
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It fits in so many contexts 😂
The beauty of open source software DOES give us the freedom to just fork the software and build the experience that you wish to have. However, that doesn't mean that we need to throw user experience out the window either.
Agreed and I am happy that so many Nostr projects are open source. But for most users, myself included, the freedom to do so does not mean we have the ability to do so. I’m technical and can figure out a lot of things, but I can’t code, so I can’t just fork something and add features myself.
I believe most devs care about what their users want and would implement changes, if applicable, if enough users wanted it. We just need to have these discussions. Additionally, we need to incentivize them via bounties for features. They like to eat too. I wish this became more of a standard. If you want something, you create a GitHub issue and offer a bounty for it.
Bounties can work, and it’s great when they do. I’m not sure the best approach when it comes to the topic of poorly implemented algorithmic feeds, such as with Primal. Discoverability of people and content has been one of Primal’s selling points so I can understand what they wouldn’t want to get rid of it. But because it has become a popular client, people are now incentivized to manipulate the algorithm. Other users that take notice and expose it are then deemed the bad guy because “reasons.” But this issue eventually extends beyond just Primal. Damus is adding suggested follows. Plebstr has had suggested follows for some time. Nostur has an “explore” tab. Nostr.band has their trending feeds. The lack of algorithmic manipulation has been a huge positive for users on Nostr, especially those coming from Twitter. I would love to see devs make this a higher priority issue. Clearly algorithmic feeds are going to happen one way or another. It would be incredible to see Nostr devs take a cooperative approach to solving the issues surrounding them. We have absolutely incredible devs working on these apps, and I can only imagine what they could come up with if they did.
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I know this is tongue-in-cheek, but still:
it's not that "just be a dev", the "it's open source, if you don't like it, fork it" is valid advice because it doesn't need to be every person who disagrees with a decision that needs to create a fork; it's just one.
when a bunch of people disagreed with the direction Vitor was taking Amethyst, we didn't need a fork per disagreeing person, just one person, nostr:npub1t0nyg64g5vwprva52wlcmt7fkdr07v5dr7s35raq9g0xgc0k4xcsedjgqv, to do it. All the people who disagreed with Vitor could move to that fork.
The same thing here, if enough people like Primal but not the direction is heading towards, a single person motivated enough can act and benefit all the people who disagree with Primal.
Again, I know this is largely tongue-in-cheek, but I think it's worth pointing this out 😀
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It’s a valid point.
A lot of people would rather complain about sitting in their own shit instead of getting up and washing off their ass.
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Tell me how
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The best clients will allow users to toggle features. A Swiss Army knife for Nostr.
Can always pay a dev to do it.
What might accelerate client forks and development is a system that allows non-technical users to incentivize desired changes or fixes.
I proposed a nostr-based bounty board where non-technical users could post bounties for features they'd like to see, and neutral developers would review whether those features had been properly implemented before payout.
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I think this is a disingenuous argument. I don't think anyone is saying for end users to fork clients. Rather I would say, switch to alternative clients that are being developed by other people. I don't think anyone has actually suggested a common person learn to code to get a better experience. You don't like Pepsi? Try coke. No one is telling people to go make their own soda if they don't like it.
Couldn't agree more
I get the sentiment.
I think this is more of having some recourse vs zero recourse.
I mean what we have right now is:
- not upgrading
- using another client
- forking the code or hoping someone else forked it
- building your own
Centralized systems recourse:
- Fuck
- You
- Build your own so we can shut it down
I agree. It's unrealistic. But it is more realistic than expecting devs to implement everything people want. I have 10x more requests in a day than I have time to implement and the list grows over time. Thus, It's better if people learn to not wait for a dev like me to get what they want. Otherwise, they will just be even more frustrated.
You don't need to be a coder to fork or collaborate on the project. You just need to find designers and coders who are interested in coding what you need the project to do. Or pay for them. Most coders have worked with people who have 0 project management skills. So, don't worry if you don't know anything. As long as you know what you want, your team will get things done.
And because you forked, no you made nostr better by decentralizing it further. Everybody wins.
Fork them all.
I think you’re ignoring how difficult it would be to get ppl to even use your fork at all, not to mention the cost of maintaining it. It’s just as unreasonable as “learn to code”.
I also think nostr devs have a responsibility to implement things in a way that gives the user choice, your censorship filters being a good example of that issue.
It’ll become easier and easier with AI
Do you remember mircscripting?