🚨🪿 #shadowbans #vibecheckstr
***Firstly, a disclaimer. I'm a silly goose, I'm newish, I'm not a dev, I'm learning, I just have some questions, which I am grateful to anyone who can answer 🙏 & Don't hurt me!***
You know how nostr was poopooing the BlueSky vibecheck? Well, I was wondering if you could say that nostr does indeed have a vibecheck?👀
Could you even say nostr does have a shadowban system?
Is there or isn't there a vibecheck and/or shadowban system here? It seems maybe it's open to interpretation. Even whether it's at protocol level. I would say Will and Vitor give somewhat contradictory or at least confusing answers 🤔 (am I misreading this?)
I think this system as described basically does mean there are shadowbans on nostr(?)
There are a bunch of core people who almost everyone follows - devs, trending users - nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m , nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s , damus, fiatjaf, etc etc (and some clients even auto follow from the start) and are recommended to follow. New users will often do this. So if these mass-followed users block someone (I'm not saying they shouldn't manage their feed btw) doesn't this have the unintended consequence of making an adopted blocklist for a huge amount of users? And it's a little bit fiddly to undo, not v apparent to a new user and perhaps not even worth looking into cos it's a bit of a hassle.
🚨🪿#badges
Anyway I was think of badges it could be used to make a list of these invisible (real, not bot) users at least(?) I don't know how to make or award a badge btw lol
And I'm also not saying people shouldn't block and manage their feed btw. I'm sure the 'shadowbanned' / 'invisible' badge will have a mixture of annoying people, cantankerous numpties, non-bitcoiners, bitcoin-skeptics, maybe mentally unwell people, silly geese, trolls etc etc. But it would at least be good to make them more visible.
I have no idea how badges work or how to award them tho lol. Is there a guide for this? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Some hashtagspam for feedback lol: #plebchain #grownostr
Gonna make a list of shadowbanned users. Difficult to find on my phone at work tho lol
Off the top of my head these two tho:
nostr:npub1hg5g87620a3vhpgmna2pzevhj88lkt3lezus76p7u5y37sfcszsszktya9
There's a @.vitor (not the dev), can't seem to find, maybe he's left.
Listr or badges could be used for a list of the shadowbanned 🤔 not sure which would be better. Both? No idea.
Anyway. No one cares anyway lol
I'll just be on my silly goose way lolol.
Are you thinking of Victor? Yeah, something really weird was going on with his account. And he did head back to fedi, but somehow even that account seems to be shadowbanned when he replies to me (which he did a day or 2 ago).
Yes that's the guy. Can't seem to find him at all, but that would make sense if he's back to the fediverse thingum, that plays up a lot ot seems
There is only auto/shadow banning in amethyst, not damus. Clients can choose to shadowban if they want, but this has nothing to do with the protocol.
I suggest not supporting clients that do this.
Thanks, for your answer. I think I may be getting slightly less confused. This blocking system thingum 'NIP56' is not across all clients?
Or am I getting even more confused lolol. Hard to tell when you're a silly goose 😔🪿
No its not across all clients, only amethyst. I wrote nip56, it has nothing to do with blocking. Amethyst uses these reports to shadowban people, most other clients do nothing with the reports.
Wen Android?
how many accounts you know that are shadowbanned? and are they using zaps, i get the feeling people that arent using zaps are less likely to appear on global feed / searchable , i might be wrong
There's a couple I interacted with a wee bit (moreso in the past). nostr:npub1hg5g87620a3vhpgmna2pzevhj88lkt3lezus76p7u5y37sfcszsszktya9 nostr:npub16h43mvfanfmsvkg86vgqwr4h268l23t6034wulepd0m4j3dky9ssraxymy
I've come across more by accident too, bit tricky for me to find on my phone tho
Oh remember a couple more... adding:
Alpinehodl
Tim?
They seemed to have problems too. There's been a few here and there. And I suspect it'll increase.
Victor actually moved back to fedi because of the nostr culture issue.
