Even less ahahah you can use it just for receiving zaps and then move maybe in Muun Wallet that is at least non custodial and very easy. With Muun you can also do #zap but not receive since it has not a Ln address

Lol, most serious bitcoiners don’t even use self-custodial LN setups. Suggestions otherwise are a larp. The real difference is that established bitcoiners likely understand that WoS is custodial and therefor comes with certain risks. Risks that we as uses deem acceptable - acceptable, because USABILITY MATTERS.

So this is ultimately what we need to be educating new users on - tradeoffs over faux purism. There are no perfect solutions. Only tradeoffs. Just this realization is enough to send most people down the rabbit hole.

So I had to step back and think about this a bit. As a technical person and bit of a self hosting maxamlist I find it extremely frustrating when people just default to a custodian because its easy. I feel like defaulting to custodians makes for lazy bitcoiners who will never want to learn the tech side because it "just works why run a node or learn when someone will do it for me". and that concerns me.

That being said, ill coincide that not everyone will be running nodes and much as I personally don't like them, letting someone get comfortable with how the network functions via a custodian is really the only option we have right now. Even when I let my friends use my node i'm still their "custodian". As long as the trade-offs are explained and understood. This is probably a function of me not paying attention to new users much but I don't really see trade-offs being explained well and I always find it ironic when people say they are ready to fight the state with a WOS addy in their bio.

TL;DR I guess need to stop being so salty.