Thanks for the explanation. Seems its essentiually the same as changing crypo for fiat on an exchange (but more like a lightning channel for it). Ie a bit more convenient, delayed cash out. As you say anything that requires a similar level of trust as centralized exchange is unappealing. Might as well just use paypal.

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I don't think these people really "cash out" their stables for fiat. They hold them and use them like just like cash to buy, sell, and trade. Even at businesses and shops around them.

Which businesses and shops accept stable coins? I figured at some point you have to change them for fiat unless the only thing you want to buy is black market goods.

You can search for some examples at cryptwerk.com, but the list is quite incomplete there.

many of these use just bitpay ( eg scan) thats just the same as using a crypto > fiat exchange. Scan don't even see the crypto, only the fiat. Its all fiat an KYC.

I don't see bitpay as often as coinpayments, cryptomus, bitcart, whitebit and others that just allow you to send crypto directly from your own wallet to the specified address.

you have to signup and register to use coinpayments, its not permisionless, its custodial.

cryptomus is the same. The whole point of crypto is to have permissionless direct payments, not to rely on 3rd party buinesses providing custodial services . So again, I ask where can buy something with crypto directly online as per the orginal vision of Satoshi, with no custodial third party ?

I don't use stable coins to buy anything so not sure. But if you scroll down this link there is a list of goods and services you can buy directly with Monero. Still working on it.

https://pb.envs.net/?fddbb02f3599dc10#5o6C51E4iNNQC5APBegEsMRTcDsNcHUFZXEMz6RNbUhq

https://bitcart.ai

Fully self-hosted and open-source, servers.guru uses it, as an example.

Local shops and businesses. It's very common everywhere in those places.

Still, your address isn't tied to your name (and it won't if you do everything right) and if your balance doesn't exceed six figures (which it shouldn't if you do everything right) then you're much less likely to be noticed by Tether than by your local bank/govt in case of paypal.

But what can you actually BUY with stable coins (or any crypto) apart from a vpn subscription?

Servers, domains (although that's more rare), virtual numbers (even esims), refills or vouchers for many existing services, and, in some countries, there even are proxy stores that allow you to buy anything physical from ebay/amazon without disclosing your payment data to them.