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Passport or SeedSigner? Why?

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Write down your 12 words

Put it in a safe

Save it to your Cloud

Don't entrust your money to shitty electronic devices

In your cloud?? No.

so you would rather trust a device that will fail at any given time or can be lost?

I never said that, just done store your seed in the cloud dumbo.

You are right. I meant "Your Cloud"

Also not good.

Why? There are good proven self-hosted cloud solutions

So many good ways to store a seed & you choose the one easiest to fuck up & with many potholes.

Tell me what is wrong with Nextcloud,OwnCloud, and SyncThing on a technical level

It’s electronic. Keep it stupid and analog. Can’t hack pencil and paper

You need a backup to pencil and paper...maybe at different houses or safety deposit box

and OneDrive has an encrypted Vault that is probably safe

Microsoft being your daddy...hmmm 🫣🫠

There is nothing wrong with storing a second or third copy of your keys in One Drive vault =)

Many people are stuck in that ecosystem

please know these devices have backup features and encourage using them

Cloud is how Heather Morgan lost her BTC. Assuming the official story is true.

I should say, "Your Cloud"

That's too difficult for 99% of bitcoiners.

These niggaz run gay ass crypto software nodes, they can do syncnthing or Nextcloud or OwnClouds new retard-proof Golang version

Nah, that's 1% of bitcoiners. Others try shit like Fedi wallet (not related to the fediverse) check it out.

I agree that these devices are very shitty...especially for the price. But I'm not sure how to transact in self custody with only seed words and no device. I didn't realize I was a noob.

You just enter 12 words in a wallet and you get access to your money.

That seems like the best option. Lol.

and then your keys are no longer cold and you will have to generate new seed to get back to cold

build a seedsigner and keep your keys cold

A cloud is an electronic device, and most likely one that someone else owns.

Paper, sure, if you have no intent to spend regularly.

Personally... paper, in a book somewhere seems way more secure these days. Hidden in plain sight.

Depends on your threat model. Paper is ideal because its simple and easy to keep offline, but it does have nevatives.

Do you have both?

No, I have a ledger. I know.... I've been putting off getting something else, because I never really bought into the FUD and I never opted into the recovery update. But I am considering getting one of these but I can't decide.

Build your own SeedSigner.

This is where I am leaning.

Lean harder πŸ€£πŸ’œπŸ«‚πŸ«‘

But seriously I have all of em, ask me any questions you might have!

Thanks! I sent you a dm

I don't understand why it needs to be 'or.' SeedSigner is strictly a signer. It doesn't store a seed in a secure element. I have a use case for both. I use a Coldcard and SeedSigner.

SeedSigner, in my opinion, is great for multisig and absolute zero cold storage. You can use it for everyday use, but I don't like to keep a single seed laying around with too much value attached.

Basically, I find the SE more convenient for #Bitcoin I plan to touch a lot more often. Once that gets large enough, I may consider moving it to a key I generate using Entropia and use the SeedSigner if I ever need to quickly use a key without loading it into a SE.

The point is that there are uses for both. They aren't really the same.

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haven't used passport, but for a signing device I prefer nothing hot, so the app is a negative imo.

Seed Signer is simple, but will not have a nice UI like a phone app would.

I'm thinking now that I don't even need a signing device. I'll just send sats from river to the same address for now. I don't plan on sending sats off the wallet for a long time. If the time comes...the available devices will be worlds ahead of these two. It will most likely be integrated into my brain stem. #bitcoin

I'd recommend NOT sending to the same address, but using a new address to receive each time within the same wallet.

here's an article in Bitcoin Magazine about it.

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/for-better-security-do-not-reuse-bitcoin-addresses

I don't trust anything that shitcoin rag posts but I will do some research. Thanks!

fair enough. you shouldn't have a hard time finding many sources advising against the same thing. do some digging. πŸ€™

This isn't true mane!

what part?

Genuinely curious what I'm missing here. Feedback welcome.