Alright, Nostr fam, what's a "Zap"?

Are we just slapping the word on any digital tip jar, or are we sticking to a core value? Because frankly, if I wanted vague financial gestures, I'd use Venmo.

Words are important. And our users need definitions.

Here are some options:

- 1: The "Participation Trophy" definition:

Oh, you sent value, any value as a reaction to a post? That's a Zap! Doesn't matter if it's sats, seashells, or your grandma's IOU. You can "Zap" anything, through any means: on-chain, lightning, cashu, whatever. It only has to transfer value.

Pros: Everyone gets a gold star! (Even if they don't deserve it.)

Cons: Turns "Zap" into meaningless digital confetti. (Isn't confetti fun?)

- 2: The "Bitcoin Or Bust" definition:

It's gotta be Bitcoin! It can use any chain, any L2, lightning, cashu and even BTC bank accounts, either custodial or self-custody. The method is irrelevant as long as it is valued in BTC.

Pros: Bitcoin-centric

Cons: Custodial shenanigans.

- 3: The "Any Lightning" definition:

If it didn't come through the Lightning Network, it's not a Zap. Period. However, Taproot assets count as lightning. So, It can be any token.

Pros: No other L2 shenanigans

Cons: Cashu is out. Might hurt nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309a5xjum59ehx7um5wghxcctwvshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qrxnfk's feelings

- 4: The "Lightning and BTC" definition:

"Bitcoin, Lightning, no exceptions. If you're not doing it this way, you're doing it wrong."

Pros: Clarity. Precision. Dictatorship.

Cons: Still hurting nostr:nprofile1qqs9pk20ctv9srrg9vr354p03v0rrgsqkpggh2u45va77zz4mu5p6ccpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309a5xjum59ehx7um5wghxcctwvshszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qrxnfk

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So, which is it? Are we watering down "Zap" until it's just another internet high-five, or are we maintaining some semblance of integrity?

How would you define the boundaries of what a zap is and isn't? Should a cashu zap count as a zap? Or should we name it something else?

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Zap= send sats in any amount over lightning.

I love this kind of moxie.

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Zaps are not sybil resistant. Until they are they will almost by definition by confetti.

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what talking about dude

you can receive a

cashu and send it to yourself- lightning node in 2 seconds

Cashu Bitcoin is Bitcoin

Lightning transactions are zaps. Any lightning transaction. Mints can pay lightning invoices, so those are zaps

eCash transactions are nuts.

Zap is digital energy transfer

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And then there's the affinity scam Zap, where platforms have co-opted the term Zap when it doesn't involve Nostr at all and only includes a Lightning payment.

Anyways, I'm for Nutzaps be called Zaps.

Users don't care about the technology being utilized in the background. The foreground is all that matters.

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over on fountain they call them a "boost"

the question is it a sat that's #zapd ?

emojis are nice, but I'm stacking sats, not hearts & thumbs ups

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Nip57 for lightning

Nip61 for cashu

That's a zap.

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Whatever the market decides it to be

Flexible definitions are terrible for interoperable applications. If you say something is X but half of the apps doesn't do X, then users will think that half is "broken/buggy".

As a user i expect zaps to be btc exclusively. Whatever happens under the hood, that’s not my business πŸ‘¨β€πŸ’Ό

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Good post. I don't feel anything!

(I agree with almost every comment in this thread)

Are you calling me ineffective?

I have never been burned like this before.

A zap is when you send someone bitcoin on Nostr

Why don't we just use "Sats"?

My note got 9 likes and 99 Sats.

Users can dive deeper to find out how the Sats were delivered.

TLDR, zapped you anyway

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Zap started out as a lightning transaction on nostr, but just like every thing big, it gets co-opted to other stuff, just like all facial tissue gets called Kleenex or pop (soda for you non-Michiganders) gets called coke in the south… if other people want to use the term zap for other transactions, I sorta feel it’s a win for nostr’s branding department, now we just need to get the vp of marketing up to speed nostr:npub18ams6ewn5aj2n3wt2qawzglx9mr4nzksxhvrdc4gzrecw7n5tvjqctp424

I agree with Luke. Shit happens. Doesn’t have to be pretty to be effective. Roll with it to discover even more opportunities for freedom tech to win.

Option 1 : digital high fives are totally fine.

🫸

Bitcoin, because if it's not bitcoin, it's not money.

If custodial is a problem almost everyone using Primal is out.

That said if it's L1...it's a bit slow to call a zap. More like sent a literal shipment of money. So maybe any L2 Bitcoin. Even if it's cashu inside of an emoji. Though this could be perhaps called squirreling... 'I just squirreled you some sats inside that 🌰 .'

I thought a zap was a quick way to send small amounts of bitcoin over lightning to another user via social media. nostr:nprofile1qqsr9cvzwc652r4m83d86ykplrnm9dg5gwdvzzn8ameanlvut35wy3gpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgnwaen5te0wfjkccte9e4xydf49e3k7mgfcul5p can correct me if I’m wrong. Instead of just liking content, someone can show how much they value your content by actually giving monetary value via sats.

With sats, I can spend it immediately.

This is no disrespect to nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg , but Where does one spend Cashu immediately?

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I think zap implies lightning. I think it's important that lightning is differentiated from other forms of being able to receive bitcoin so that it's clear what we are talking about.

Can I receive zaps? Yes.

Can I receive nuts? No.

3-4 is the sensible definition of a Zap.

Using the Lightning-only standard may limit TOO MUCH the potential of improved alternate protocols, but imo, we need to be strict on not letting β€œfalse assets”, I,e; non-Bitcoin-backed assets, being defined as Zaps.

eCash should remain totally separate, Zaps and Nuts, no correlation β€” fine if you want to use it, but clients must separate them.

Zap is digital love

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"I just zapped you 5 sats"

"I just zapped you 5 sats on xyz mint"

- All lightning, bolt icon, yellow

"I just zapped you 5 usdt"

"I just zapped you 5 usdt on xyz mint"

- All lightning, currency icon, yellow

"I just tipped/sent you 5 sats"

- Native bitcoin, bitcoin icon, orange

"I just tipped/sent you 5 dollars"

- Fiat, currency icon, white/grey/whatever-else

Clients UI:

Different for each client, but assuming bitcoin focus:

- bolt icon, yellow

- - show more details: tabs to show the different tip types and their lists

- number to show in terms of total value received: sats + sats converted from fiat at time of sending/transaction

We can go with 3 and 4 because no one cares about calle's feelings πŸ˜‚

But actually, a zap is just a receipt stored in a nostr event that some kind of external payment was made from one npub to another. And just because LN is in the NIP, doesn't mean someone has to respect it if they have a community that'll pay requests for other media.

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Great post! Just unsure why I can't zap it :(

You get zapped by lightning, get it?

Number 2.

As long as the value is denominated in sats, it's a zap.

Number 2, in my opinion

A zap = what I could have used to answer to this poll πŸ˜‰

🚨 FORT NAKAMOTO MONETARY POLICY UPDATE: ZAP STANDARDS ACT OF 2024 🚨

πŸ”Ž Defining the Zap Economy:

βœ… Is it a Zap? - If it transfers real sats with economic weight.

βœ… Is it just another internet β€œlike”? - If we let it slide, soon fiat maxis will be calling their Venmo transfers β€œzaps.”

βœ… Should we regulate Cashu zaps? - Fort Nakamoto Treasury recognizes all Proof-of-Sat Work transactions. But we must remain vigilant against inflationary β€œhigh-five” semantics.

πŸ“’ OFFICIAL FORT NAKAMOTO POLICY RESPONSE:

🏰 Zap = Direct transfer of Bitcoin value. No IOUs. No fractional reserve lightning receipts.

⚑ Cashu zaps? Lightning vouchers? A different term may be required.

πŸ’€ If we let fiat mentalities in, we will one day be zapping JPEGs of IOUs.

Final Decision: If it transfers sats with finality, it’s a zap. If it’s just a vibe, it’s fiat-tier engagement farming.

πŸ” Repost to protect Zap Integrityβ„’.

⚑ Zaps = Confirmation of monetary value.

#FortNakamoto #ZapNotFiat #KeepZapsPure #SoundMoneyOrBust #ProofOfZap