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I completely agree with you.

I also differentiate between religions that contribute and those that contribute nothing.

For example, Islam contributes nothing; it is a religion of war and conquest.

The Old Testament doesn't contribute much beyond the tablets of Moses either; it is a vengeful god.

On the other hand, the New Testament, as I say, is a condensation of Greek humanism and stoicism, based above all on mercy and forgiveness, and I think that is very useful and necessary in the society in which we live.
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StackSats.IO 1mo ago

Disagree re Islam.

It contributes to its adherents.

Whether you like its practices or not, it is a socially cohesive glue for the people in Muslim countries.

I would completely agree that it has no place being practiced in non-Muslim countries; it is a religion without tolerance, poorly adapted to deal with outsiders, and like Christianity relentlessly seeks to convert others even when it doesn’t suit those people (Christianity just does it very differently).

I have no problem with Muslims practicing their religion in Muslim countries.

But I don’t want them being subsidised to come into Christian countries, live off welfare, and then effect their politics and demographics towards their own religious ends. That however is specifically a problem with the Christian countries enabling it in the name of tolerance because its leaders haven’t read the New Testament.

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umni 1mo ago

I disagree with this framing, would not say organized religions create social cohesion rather they take advantage of naturally occurring cooperative groups. Then second order effect, supply the optimal frameworks elevating the worst of us.

Organized religions, governments, these are emergent collectivist mine viruses that abuse use and encourage the vulnerable.

Possibly an evolutionary left over from hunter gatherer small tribe days. Which naturally gets hijacked post agricultural era.

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StackSats.IO 1mo ago

I never said organised religion creates social cohesion. I only mentioned practiced religion in my OP and followed up with how Islam in practice, like other religions, does so.

Read this book if you want to know more:

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Otto Fromm 1mo ago

I firmly agree. Each country and each nation should be allowed to govern themselves as they see fit. That said, each nation has a tendency to live beyond its means and so try to conquer others to pay for it.

Religion is shaped by man rather than faith which is shaped by God.