Telegram by default is not end to end encrypted. Telegram can access and can keep copies of all messages.
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Signal was developed at the NSA headquarters and sponsored by tens of millions USD per year until recently.
All things considered, it is wise to keep distance. From a western perspective, even telegram has likely more privacy than signal and whatsapp (same algorithm).
We're at nostr, promote 0xchat.
The best evidence for Signal vs Telegram is responses to subpeonas from courts, which has repeatedly shown that Signal has very little info be comparison.
It is the other way around. They already get all necessary info from Signal and Whatsapp directly. If it really was private, the mainstream and govs would be chasing and badmouthing signal like they do with telegram.
The NSA museum takes pride on planting exploits that go for decades until being exposed and admitted.
What a bunch of bullshit. Signal is open source protocol it can be developed at hell.
Being open source isn't a guarantee of being secure.
Plus, it isn't even *really* open source because you don't know what kind of server they are running behind their walls, nor do you compile yourself the client version to know you aren't using a spy version.
Just try to learn something new today.
Interesting, so what do you suggest to use instead of Signal then.
First of you all: you are very unusual. Not only are you humble, as you are willing to listen. Have to say your reply has completely broken my pattern recognition: I salute you.
There aren't any mainstream private messengers. I use Telegram often because they have a good API with their bots and the West has to pay some money to Russia before they can snoop my data.
Non-mainstream things like Matrix (so many holes, ask the German gov) or Threema aren't verifiable. Same applies to SimpleX: running on "free" servers from a commercial company that holds 99.999% of the communications and users installing same company apps on the phone without doing it themselves. Basically same as telegram 10 years ago (they guys are even Russian too).
If you ask me, the most private messenger that I see being used in the real world is NOSTR.
Battle-proven encrypted PGP messages that are without privacy flaws since almost 30 years.
You can quickly send these encrypted messages to one or more hundreds (thousands?) of volunteer-based nodes across the globe.
There are dozens and dozens of different ways to read and send those messages. So many clients from different providers or easily make your own and make sure the client itself isn't betraying you.
Many nodes talk to each other using I2P, reticulum and other nightmarish communication paths.
Heck, you don't even need a smartphone or laptop nowadays with suspicious Windows/Linux/Android or OSX underneath because ESP32 running on T-deck are becoming a thing.
For those who know: private messages made by the tech and people around here are just god-awful to track for any law-abiding org.
No, im sorry because I recognized you as an ignorant / uneducated. Well I would be right 99% of time, since most day I deal with literally older people learning how internet and computers work, but not this time. Well said. Thank you.
Btw, whatβs your opinion about BTC vs Monero?
Well.. I'm one of those that still mined bitcoin with CPUs back in 2009 when it was all the rage on the BBS of those days. It was fun but it wasn't profitable and you'd quickly focus more on daytrading again.
Bitcoin wasn't private, but was a good exercise from cybersec people trying something new without need for trust and a noble cause (separate money from the govs).
Monero was different because it was dirty from the beginning. The team behind was toxic and criminal (they still are) but over the years somehow they switched places completely.
BTC became a collector's item for hipsters and a religious object for those who hope it just goes up at any cost, even their privacy. They never use it for payment, they never mined it, and feds will track you.
XMR can still be mined today on any laptop using a decentralized mining pool which pays very decently in daily basis. Besides the privacy, it does end up being used to purchase drugs, pay for cyber attacks or just give donations for things in the real world.
Tbey are both OK for their audiences. The coin that I'm a fan doesn't yet exist, when that time comes it will indeed be memorable.
Thanks for opinion!
Iβm ears are all yours, seriously. I just had today a whole big debate with newbs about Ledger vs Coldcard and Iβm done explaining the implications of closed source software and I understand that I can be the same dummy but on a bit higher level. Tell me.
Use Molly
and all those criticisms apply to nostr clients and relays too
unless you're one of the .1% checking the code and compiling from source you have to decide where to place trust.