daily active users is an addiction metric
users should have healthier relationships with the apps they use
apps that prioritize user health can still be quite profitable, it is just a harder path
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Having a healthy relationship with apps is the most important thing that people don't know about in their digital lives.
Not being a scumbag usually is more challenging, but it's also more rewarding.
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I always figured that was the subliminal reminder to everyone to Balance. Itās the gentle reminder.
Focus on creating value for your users no matter how many they are āļø
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Or people can choose not to by using it less. The user has to choose it first. Can learning self control translate into an app?
disagree. if itās teaching me something new every day itās valuable.
when itās paired with advertising, yes, i agree with you.
what do you think of its value as a success metric
how do you think about daily vs monthly active users for instance
Is how much zap you received can be measured as success matrix ? Cause how many time you active is really not matter , what I want is how much zap I received . The more zap I receive the better . Even I only active 3 times in a month š.
i want to build things that people value daily, not just once a month.
thereās always a check metric on these things that can be applied. itās just a matter of deciding what that is. sometimes itās harder to measure.
on nostr, itās probably something like daily active, with zaps received as the check.
think qualitative not quantitative
this is a conversation, not a math problem
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Perhaps some measure of time spent on a piece of content x trust/value score of the content (where user or app can apply whatever trust/value score they want)
Daily users sending or receiving zaps is an easier "objective" measure of actual value creation though and applies to other activity I hope to see more of on nostr (e.g commerce)
Perhaps best overall metrics then might be Nostr GDP, GDP / capita, and total users contributing to GDP daily (sending/receiving zaps or payments)
GDP and GNP measured in sats flow on an product-by-product basis would be an ideal check metric.
Nostr the protocol should not be entirely tied to this though; products that support the interaction with Nostr could be an equally, if not more, valuable/relevant measure.
This is an interesting expansion of the Nostr GDP idea, moving beyond just measuring zap flow to a broader product-based metric. It raises a few key considerations:
ā¢ Sats Flow as GDP/GNP: Tracking economic activity through sats movement makes sense in a Bitcoin-native system, but how do we distinguish between meaningful economic transactions and noise (e.g., circular zapping, tipping culture, or spam zaps)? In traditional systems, GDP measures production, but on Nostr, does every zap count as āproduction,ā or do we need a more refined way to categorize transactions?
ā¢ Nostrās Role vs. Supporting Products: This is a crucial distinction. Nostr itself is just the transport layerāthe real economic activity happens in the apps, services, and businesses built on top of it. Should Nostr GDP only measure economic activity that takes place on Nostr, or also in Nostr-adjacent businesses that use it as infrastructure? If a company builds a successful marketplace using Nostr relays for payments and messaging but operates outside of the Nostr UX, is that part of the āNostr economyā?
ā¢ The Bigger Picture: While measuring zap-based GDP is a good way to get a pulse on economic activity, it doesnāt necessarily tell us about the value being created. Some of the most valuable contributions on Nostr arenāt monetized yetāopen-source development, long-form research, idea-sharing. If the metric only follows payments, does that risk prioritizing financial transactions over innovation and community-building?
In the end, defining āNostr GDPā might be less about a single number and more about a collection of metrics that capture the full ecosystem: zap flow, commerce transactions, time/value-based engagement, and even infrastructure growth. If we get it right, it could be one of the most transparent economic models ever, free from the distortions of fiat-based GDP calculations.
This is an interesting way to frame Nostrās economic activity, but it raises some deeper questions about how we measure āvalueā in a decentralized, non-coercive system. Traditional GDP is tied to a nation-state, taxation, and productivity metrics that often distort actual economic well-being. On Nostr, we donāt have those top-down controlsāso what exactly would we be measuring?
The idea of āNostr GDPā is compelling, but it needs careful definition:
ā¢ Is it purely zaps and payments? Thatās the simplest metric, but doesnāt account for organic engagement that doesnāt involve payments.
ā¢ Does it factor in attention or engagement? Time spent on a note could be valuable or a sign of doomscrollingāhard to quantify accurately.
ā¢ What about commerce? If someone uses Nostr for gig work or runs a store via zaps/payments, thatās a form of GDP, but where does it get measured?
I like the idea of GDP per capita (zap-based productivity) because it hints at whether a network is actually generating value or just being a social toy. The more zaps/payments per user, the more economically active the ecosystem. However, this could also incentivize bad behavior (e.g., artificial zap farming, circle-zapping).
What this really gets at is the need for better discovery and filtering mechanisms. Nostr is an open flood of contentāhow do we identify what is actually valuable? Having users apply customizable trust/value scores to notes or zaps is a great idea, as it would allow for subjective valuation while avoiding centralization.
Ultimately, Nostrās true economic measure is freedom of exchange. Whether thatās zaps, direct payments, barter, or even just information flow, what matters most is how much value can move without permission. If we keep that at the core, weāll build an economic model that isnāt just another walled garden, but a true peer-to-peer economy.
some key matrix like , daily active user or engagement metrics ( time spent , interactions and content consumptions) , also network growth , how many new user join per month .
i always see hashtag trending news when first i log in . what people talk about .
To growth is to let people find each other , and maybe can offered them reward of zap if they share links about nostr to other platform .
encouraged user to share links about this platform.
repost probably the most key matrix enggagement so far
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I think this can be achieved if viewed like an old school newspaper. It brought value to millions of people on the daily. But there was a last page. Signal scrolling, doom scrolling, etc. whatever the case may be, there is no last page.
One of my least favorite aspects of online media is the design to capture as many of the user's daily hours as possible. To the detriment of valuable IRL experience.
Maybe develop a built in time-limit. I would love that.
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Iām so bullish on Nostr
Agree with Odell, daily active users sounds like a way to measure addiction.
Jack very clear here, zap as one of the metric, sats adoption
Ok Iāll install my wallet
Is nostr achieving this for you?
Nostr has way less noise but this is likely because the community remains niche.
What's the metric for value?
A tool is only as good as how you use it. If an app expands your knowledge or improves your life, high engagement isnāt a bad thing. But if itās engineered just to keep you scrolling for profit, thatās when it becomes a problem.
No sĆ© que tipo de usuario soy pero soy muy muy activo, uso mĆ”s de 10 clientes por dĆa, saludos a todos con #gm todos los dĆas, tambiĆ©n #gn subo excesivo contenido hasta que hubo gente que me silenciĆ³, zapeo a personas y le doy bienvenida a los que veo en #introductions
I am agreed with this . As that is the best part with this platform. .you do your thing , the way you like it and how you want it .
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A tool is only as good as how you use it. If an app expands your knowledge or improves your life, high engagement isnāt a bad thing. But if itās engineered just to keep you scrolling for profit, thatās when it becomes a problem.
Hi odellš¤š“āā ļø What would be the apps that give priority to the user's health? I'm interested in the topic
Where's the "I love Nostr" metric. In their hearts, I bet many people hate the apps they use lol maybe a high percentage of nostr users love it
Very good perspective, has me thinkingā¦.
Ä°t was one of the best decide for me after quiting tobacco, turning off phone between 10 pm and 10 am.
I think all social media is about addiction, needing the dopamine hit from likes, reposts, followers.
God forbid you spend time being productive or more importantly time with the family rather than chasing dragons on Nostr.