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So let me get this straight.

* The very institution responsible for enforcing Ribaa upon mankind is the same institution that’s going to determine what money is halal or haram for us?

* Also, if we all engage in haram, then we can now change it to being halal?

The real casualty here is people’s trust in his religious instruction, unfortunately.

https://blossom.primal.net/b5fe7daef0be21ae0631071b68172b2a2e33b6dbb2076f9a58461fd5700fb6bd.mp4

Karadenizli 5mo ago 💬 2

I have seen sheikh assim many times conflate his personal views, which aren't based on Quran/hadith, with the fatwas he gives. This and some other fatwas of his essentially say something is haram or makruh, and then in lieu of a reasoning, just say why would you want to do it anyways.

On the other hand this is the same guy who says meat in Europe and the US is halal unless proven otherwise because "christian country", without ever mentioning the different slaughtering practices. So it's not like he generally errs on the side of strictness. If anything, he usually leans on the side of permissiveness.

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MuaawiyahTucker 5mo ago

That makes his stance towards Bitcoin even more odd. But who cares. Nobody who understands the very basics of Bitcoin cares what he has to say

Karadenizli 5mo ago 💬 3

The most lacking aspect of the Muslim space here is deep Islamic fundamental knowledge. We can ridicule these ignorant fatwas all we want, but I don't think anyone here has the ability to do Sheikh Assim's job. We need to spend time genuinely learning the ilm of hadith, fiqh and tafsir etc. We need to form decentralized institutions of study for these fields that can raise scholars that rival the oil funded Sheikhs giving fatwas for the governments that pay them. The ummah can't thrive without it.

Don Dahir 5mo ago 💬 1

Yes that’s true! One thing I would really love learn is the historical timeline of money and riba at the time of the prophet (saw).

ابو مريم 5mo ago 💬 1

Take a look at Roman/Byzantine and Persian economics at the time. There's plenty of good books on them.

Don Dahir 5mo ago

That’s a great suggestion, thanks!

ابو مريم 5mo ago

I've invited dozens of talib ilm to nostr and I don't think any have made it more than a week yet 😭

In fact I've had more than a few say they their teachers/scholars are entirely uninteredted in decentralization. 🫤

Karadenizli 5mo ago 💬 2

Makes complete sense to me. You have people dedicating a significant chunk of their life to study the religion and here you are, trying to sell them on tech. Makes sense that they're uninterested by default.

The opposite needs to be done imo. People on here who are interested in decentralization, especially those who can build tech should be pushed to study the Islamic sciences to a scholarly level. The next step is to make lectures and educational content, posting on both YouTube and nostr and gaining a normie following. This should be broad based content on all types of Islamic questions. Build up a following and track level that people can't ignore, so that when they finally do their lecture on riba money, resisting haram laws etc. it's not coming from "anonymous internet rando".

ابو مريم 5mo ago 💬 1

I'm actually become more of the opinion that scholars are mostly becoming luddites which is of no benefit to their scholarship. There has been very little advsncement in fiqh over the last century and perhaps the greatest example of the failure of muslim scholars is the litmus test that is Gaza.

All that said, there is a general lack of fundamental Islamic knowledge, fard ayn. This does need to be taught is owned at the community level. Curious how that best translates into digital communities. 🤔

Muslim Bitcoiner 4mo ago

This back and forth between you guys has given me a lot to think about.

We should think of ways to get students of knowledge on here

Suppress 4mo ago

There is a general trend that sharia studies have been devalued and are only a last resort for people who do not have the aptitude to get into STEM. Azhar entrance exam scores reflect this, need 90+ for STEM and 55+ for sharia... and its a positive feedback loop.