This begs the question.

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Religions and States both have "begging the question" as the foundation of their legitimacy. Their authority and legitimacy are circular (and faith-based).

...are you saying that legitimates your circular (faith-based) question-begging, too? 🤔

My fellow drone-hating New Jerseyian...you're making absolute truth claims without having first proven your presupposition that 'there is no God.'

On the contrary, there is a God--that much is clear to us all from the existence, design, order, beauty, precision, rationality, and 'symphony' of the created world and all its interlocking and irreducibly complex systems-of-systems. It is clear from 'what we can't not know' about natural law and the dictates of conscience.

We don't need to rehash the billions of atheism-vs-Christian-Theism arguments that are already online in a million comment sections written by angsty middle schoolers.

Suffice it for me to respond with this: I won't speak for other religions, but for Christian Theism, it is not a "control structure" but "good news of great joy for all the peoples." Grace and redemption as a free gift are not a "control structure," but the ground-source of true hope, lasting joy, genuine love, perfect forgiveness, and everlasting endurance. And, I might add, the only legitimate ground for ethics and for questioning--even rebelling against--an overreaching State apparatus. If there is nothing higher than the State, then there are no grounds to resist it, either.

I'm pointing my finger at circular systems and inviting you to look at them. Pointing at the moon to invite someone to look at it doesn't require your finger to follow lunar orbital mechanics in order for them to appreciate the moon.

🙂 My dude, I don't necessarily take issue with what you're pointing at, nor even what you're pointing with, but where you're pointing from--where you're 'standing'. There's no such thing as neutrality on the 'question' of God.

Either way...said my piece...I'll move on. 🤙

...to branch into a 'sidebar' convo, I like how you described this (even if I disagree about the thing being described).

And, I do appreciate the moon -- I especially like thinking about how there is no such thing as moonlight...

#squirrel

One *might* be surprised to find that I am not nearly as impressed by the ravings of a sexual deviant [i.e., Foucault] as I am by the words of a man who preached 'love your neighbor as yourself' and then conquered death itself. 🤷

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