Real world consequence of the international court system: Ukrainian special forces risking their life to get DNA samples of suspected North Koreans fighting for Russia.
https://video.nostr.build/ebe25fb477b034de9a170acccfa66b9c8a20f8faf00456f358bcf7ef0575c14b.mp4
Source: https://x.com/73centreuasof/status/1881703919065366541
cant you just look at their faces?
North Korea's are pretty similar looking to people in parts of Russia.
makes sense, thank you
half of siberia looks like koreans. that's the reason why it took so long to prove that koreans are in kursk region.
Where is that proof? I have seen nothing so far but hollow claims. Maybe there is north korean artilery somewhere but stormtroopers?
You sound like the people still claiming Russia had no plans to attack Ukraine in Feb 2022.
Read this...
Also see this video where Stoltenberg admits that the war started in 2014 and that Putin was looking for peace till November 2021
https://youtube.com/watch?v=QntaMpXda6I
And now please someone give us the proof that there are north korean stormtroopers on the front...
He admits it somewhere at 18:19...
"looking for peace"
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All Russia had to do to get peace was leave.
After the US overthrew the elected Ukrainian government ,in 2014 I believe, that was sympathetic to Russia the new government started killing their own people in the Donbas region who did not agree with the US involvement in their elections. Russia only got evolved to protect them. There is a lot of history here Iโm not sure you are aware of.
Yanukovych was not sympathetic to Russia, he was neutral. But that was not enough for the west. Whoever was not on their side was an enemy.
So it is ok for you NATO to be aggressive and violate security concerns, it is ok to organise a coup in Ukraine to do that, but it is Russia that should leave while ukrainian nazis shelling russians in Donetsk.
Ok then, let Ukraine continue killing north koreans by the thousands, no harm winning fantasy soldiers.
> Ex NATO secretary general Stoltenberg says they were arming Ukraine since 2014
so why then US intelligence made prediction in february 2022 that Ukraine will fall in three days?
in fact this is false, this is what western media feed to the public. real help with weapons started around may 2022 and never ever was enough to even have parity. ukranians in worst times had lack of weapons (artillery shells, missiles, anything except small arms) 1 : 10, in best times 1:3.
> Putin was looking for peace till November 2021
so he annexed crimea in 2014 and then started to find peace? weird
I heard a USA general (Milley i think) saying that Ukraine will fall in a week or two, something like that. Russians never said such a thing. The goal was to present the russian military invasion as a failure. In fact, it took USA more than a year to capitulate Iraq where the difference was huge. There was no way to expect that Ukraine to hold less, unless they did the logic thing to do which was surrendering.
First there was the USA backed coup (Nuland was physically in Maidan), then the annexation of Krimea. So, not weird
> Russians never said such a thing
wrong, they said tis and they were absolutely sure that it would be an easy walk. that is why they had massive losses at the beginning. and at the beginning, police were traveling with the convoys of military vehicles because they thought they would quickly take over Kyiv and they would only need police to patrol the city.
second - I don't know why, but you in US think it's all your government's fault, when in fact this war has long local roots.
I had searched for that and i did not find such a statement. So i have to ask you again to provide me with that statement.
Also i am greek, not from USA ๐
I'm not researcher or journalist, I don't collect links. And I'm lazy to search now, but somewhere in the beginning of the war there was leaks from russian military with charts and maps about how they planned to attack and capture Kyiv.
Yeah ok it is understandable that you don't hold links etc. I don't keep most of it either.
About the plans to capture Kiev, as i understand, russians did that move, with the hope that Ukraine will be afraid and surrender, because also that was the logic thing to do. We can be sure that russians did not had plans to besiege Kiev, because of the difference with Mariupol. They wanted to besiege and capture Mariupol and for that reason they used twice the size of army they used in Kiev despite the fact Mariupol is several times smaller than Kiev.
So, there was no statement from the russian side that they will end the war in two weeks, that has been said by a USA general and the west adopted that to present the conflict as a rusdian failure. On the other had thete was a statement by Zelensky that next year ukrainians will go for fishing in Krimea. That was the failure...
> About the plans to capture Kiev, as i understand, russians did that move, with the hope that Ukraine will be afraid and surrender, because also that was the logic thing to do.
sort of. and putin had a lot of agents inside ukraine who reported that ukraine is "ready" to be captured. of course they lied and just made money from russians.
> So, there was no statement from the russian side that they will end the war in two weeks
of course there was no official statement. Lavrov stil saying that there is no any invasion and that is Ukraine who started the war )
> On the other had thete was a statement by Zelensky that next year ukrainians will go for fishing in Krimea
it was said by Budanov, not Zelensky but ok. During the war you can't rely on sources who involved in war, only independent. and there are lot of them.
that is one that I suggest you to read - https://substack.com/@xxtomcooperxx
Ah yes, there were several russian or russian friendly blogers, youtubers etc who were saying that the conflict will end quickly, but i meant statements from officials.
Lavrov is saying that Ukraine stsrted it, as far as i know, because they started bombing Donetsk again. Do you remember Biden saying that russians will invade at 16 of February? Why this specific date? The answer is that this is when ukrainians started bombing Doneysk again... So Lavrov is kind of right. Kind of... Of course it was a russian invasion in general.
Thanks for the suggestion. Not one of my sources also...
you know who Girkin is, for example, and who captured Slavyansk in 14? i.e. russia has participated in the occupation of donbass since 14, why it strange if ukraine shelled russian military facilities on its territory? of course, civilian facilities were also affected. russian propaganda constantly talks about the bombing of donbass, but does not say what russian military did there, in ukraine, since 14. try to find video how russian capturing Slavyansk in april 14. I know for sure that it is there.
and russia said it was local rebels ) but somehow they looked like professional marines in full equipment
No doubt there were russians there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLYlwkqVZbc
april 2014
funny story about this video is that one of the soldiers used strange russian word which no one had knew in ukraine. even though many people talks russian. this word - ะฟะพัะตะฑัะธะบ, border. later we learn that this word is common in russia, in leningrad region
Yes as i said there is no doubt that there were russians involved there. As expected i should say. Like there is no doubt cia was operating also.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/02/25/world/europe/cia-ukraine-intelligence-russia-war.html
But which exactly is the point of this?
read half of the article and can't read any more ) feels like tales for conspiracy lovers.
for example the article says that in ukraine some secret bases have been built along the border to collect secrets data about russia. how exactly? secret special agents can look through binoculars in the direction of russia? I remember that for example just using satellite images the number of soldiers at the wagner base in belarus was calculated.
there is a phrase in the article that CIA and MI6 had full control over ukraine. again this is tales. we know for sure that there were conflicts between Zaluzhny and american generals at the beginning of the war. there were conflicts in 2023 when a counteroffensive was planned, Ukrainians did not agree with american plans on how exactly to counterattack. so there is no full control. it is just such a beautiful scary picture for morons - evil US special forces and ukrainian puppets.
This is from NYT. So... not from russian propaganda etc.
And i don't think thete is a doubt anymore that Ukraine has been used as a proxy against Russia. Is there such a doubt? (the video and the article with Stoltenberg should be enough normally)
> First there was the USA backed coup (Nuland was physically in Maidan), then the annexation of Krimea
do you know what was original reasons why a several people came out to protest in Kyiv in november 2013?
I have heard that but i don't remember. What was it?
but this is strange ) you know that Nuland was there but you don't know what was the whole reason for maidan. and with Nuland you probably imply that US somehow paid and organized maidan.
Initial cause for people coming out to protest was that Yanukovich refused to sign preliminary agreement with the EU. this is whole story, I can't go to far here, but this was very very strange, because this meeting with EU was organized specifically for signing this document, but he suddenly refused to sign. why he did that the whole another story, which we, usual people, learned only years after
It's been years since that. I heard that in 2014... The next time i spent time about Ukraine was when i heard that USA was thinking to ban Russia from swift2. I knew that this could easily escalate to ww3, so i follow the situation as close as i can since then, since that effects us. Meanwhile i thought it was globally accepted, even from ukrainians, that the coup had the support of USA. Isn't it? As for entering the eu swamp thing, it is possible that russians put pressure on Yanukovich about that. If so, it was a mistake by russians and they shouldn't intervene on that, if you ask me. Nowdays though, Lavrov says they have no problem if Ukraine enters the eu, but there is a problem with entering NATO.
there's plenty of information, and it's not hard to find.
- there were pictures of two Korean POW and audio of their interrogations.
- there were reports from South Korean intelligence about North Korean casualties.
- there were reports from Ukrainian soldiers on how Koreans behave on the battlefield.
Ok. Can you provide me please with the audio of those pow that speak korean? So far i have not seen this. I have seen Zelensky uploading the photo of the military id of one supposedly north korean soldier that shows he is from Tuva (this place is in Russia). I saw nowhere them speaking korean. Reports from south korea and ukrainian soldiers need confirmation to be believable. The audio of the pow speaking korean would be enough for me. Please provide me a link or something because i cannot find such a thing.
I'll try. one korean had face injured so he just noded or made face movement. and second was ok and speaked.
military ID - all koreans got fake documents. in this case journalists have found real person from Tuva with this name, of course he did'nt know about the fact that his name was used. russian just used real database to fill fake IDs
Yes of course the photo that Zelensky uploaded could be fake. You are right on this. Never heard about journalists saying they found the 'real' person. In fact there was no need to be a real persons name in a fake id, so that sounds also weird and i see no reason for Zelensky to upload an id that says Tuva. If you can find this link also, that would be nice. If not, it is ok, but i really want the audio. Thanks.
audio I listened was on some telegram channel, I can give you sources I follow and you can search yourself. but, it's not like I now about Koreans just from one audio. It is a lot of previous small facts and info, none of them by itself is a proof but just total sum
Ok i will try telegram.
I have seen many things presented as evidence also about the supposedly presence of north koreans and there was nothing solid. When they claim that they kill north koreans in big numbers they should have something solid. And they don't.
right, for now I don't believe any side regarding korean losses because numbers are weird. south korean intelligence said something like 300 killed 3000 wounded, but first how they collect this numbers and second, killed/wounded ratio is totally wrong, 1:10, it is just impossible.
Yeah exactly, but there is a posdibility that north korean artilery units operate somewhere. I say this because it is confirmed that such hardware is moving in Russia.
The most likely way South Korean intelligence would be collecting this information is via North Korean moles, wiretaps, etc.
The problem is, the North Korean military is probably lying to their superiors! They're probably sending numbers like 300 killed/3000 wounded up the chain of command to make the war look like it's going better than it is, and avoid angering the politicians above them.
If so, South Korea would be learning the fake numbers, not the real ones.
This kind of thing is one reason why dictatorships tend to fail... No-one is willing to tell the truth, even internally. So bad decisions get made.
half of the sources I'm following is either in ukrainian or russian, so maybe that is why is difficult for you to follow. and also in the western media there are lot of bullshit about this conflict. my suggestion is to read independent OSINT researches, not official media
I read both sides in english
https://x.com/Danspiun/status/1881431888319201624?mx=2
russian POW tells about Nth Koreans
Thanks. I have seen similar others also. I have also seen russian soldiers say other things. We need something more solid to believe whatever they say, russians or ukrainians.
Btw if you ever something that you want to share, feel free. I am interested.
But why north korea shouldn't fight with russia if all the world is fight for ukraine ? The maddest mercenaries came from all the remote countries, also NATO stuff was found.. this is very ridiculous .. before the fascists overthrow the previous legit government, people lived happy together, now the worst terrorist and the worst murders get done by EU taxes with russians civils
There is no North Korean contingent fighting for Russia Peter. You are fantastically credulous around NATO propaganda.
I find it intriguing how someone can be so intelligent in one area (Bitcoin) and so fantastically stupid & foolish in another area. Of course, it's quite a common phenomenon but you are an extreme example.
Oh really? no North Korean contingent in Russia?
Pro-tip; if someone you think is smart believes in something you think is braindead stupid, consider the possibility that they're right.
It doesn't work that way mate across completely separate domains.
Stick a bookmark in yr North Koreans credulity. I am extremely confident that you'll be proved a fool to have believed it.
They've managed to capture a few of them already. It's already an interesting diplomatic issue with South Korea as the captured North Koreans may be returned to South Korea if they say they want to defect.
Only useful idiots are denying this.
How fluently they speak korean right? ๐
You have been fooled by cheap western propaganda. Will you admit it?
