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the idea is that the relay operator has an incentive to combat this kind of infiltration behaviour by explicitly excluding people who are actively infiltrating and poisoning a group

but at the same time it can even still be possible that another relay operator, even connected in a community relay group, may allow them there and they can have their empty chat that nobody sees their messages because their npub is persona non grata in the place where the users of that chatroom actually congregate, and that's all fine, maybe relay owner of the places where they don't bother to handle this stuff is not so popular with this group but maybe they retain their position because of other groups that are not divided liek this

it's not all or nothing, that's my point, and the idea that users should not have an active role in this is also something i think is unproductive because we are not a faceless corporation selling our users' data to advertisers

Laeserin 11mo ago

Okay, but I need a construct with one community-member list for multiple relays and I want to define the relays.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 11mo ago

well you have your nip-29 and nip-17 to work with

i prefer the idea of creating a playground and then just applying force to exclude bad behaviour, not people

Laeserin 11mo ago

I'd rather just exclude the people. Christians aren't punching bags.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 11mo ago

yes but you make stuff like what happened with highperfocused and cloudfodder in the gopher chat less likely to happen, i just made that channel to get people talking to each other about building go stuff, and cloudfodder jumped in and helped out as well as me

i think there is a lot of benefit in this soft approach

probably it helps that i'm in the process of house training a cat, this little guy does NOT like force, at all, every moment i am violent i am losing his trust, and even, like just before, his big dady, pretty sure he's daddy, came around to visit, the neighbour cat, and i carefully intervened so that these two didn't get too close to each other and mochi had his safe place in my place and the other cat didn't tread on me or my pet

doesn't take force to achieve this, more, just vigilance and readiness

Laeserin 11mo ago

You can have public access or high signal, but rarely both for very long. Groups have the same dynamic as relays. They don't need moderation, so long as they stay small.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 11mo ago

yep, that's what i mean... joining is just opening the client and adding the relay

moderation is minimally required for those edge cases of infiltration behaviour

allowing these groups to cross to multiple relays is important especially for the case of small, affinity groups, whose infrastructure may not be expensive and reliable, in fact, in our case, we may even be running fully customised things on it which adds to the risk of downtime, so building in the ability to add redundancy to it by multiple members of the community running relays and they may not necessarily participate even in the same channels on them overmuch but have other associations with each other that are of a lesser depth, but in this way they back each other up

Laeserin 11mo ago

That isn't really a community, tho. It's more an association or cluster.

Community is about being in communion.

ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 11mo ago

communities can be closed, but this tends to be an unhealthy situation

Laeserin 11mo ago

You are free to make all communities in your relay public access or WoT, and I am free to not use that feature of your relay because it solves for a problem I am not having.

semisol 11mo ago

NIP-17 is garbage