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Yeah, the sword of truth cuts both ways, so I can play that game too.

He also talks about how the subversion starts in universities themselves - the source of most research. Despite being shown evidence that eating steak every day improves health (which ought to spur some desire to investigate if you believe it destroys health), you think it's impossible because "the 'experts' can't all be wrong." I have been eating 2-3lbs of fatty well salted steak every day for 6+ years & I weigh less than I did in high school. I was never really overweight, but my blood pressure dropped from ~130/80 to 110/70. My health issues, which all got worse when following doctor recommendations, have all gone away.

You should start actually looking into some of the scientific research & the way it is being done. Most of it is a joke.

Mike Dilger ☑️ 1y ago

There are all kinds of problems with science. I am a natural skeptic, despite the arguments I make here. Because my views are complex and nuanced and not hard on one side or the other. There are some good books. See Ben Goldacre on "Bad Science" and "Bad Pharma". I used to have a poster diagramming dozens of different biases. I could go on and on about the specifics, far beyond just funding bias, but I'd be preaching to the choir. You can dig into https://retractionwatch.com or consider https://brokenscience.org or any number of other efforts at fixing science.

But if all science is just thrown out, then we know nothing. Everything is just a guess. You get to pick what you wish were true. Personal experience is a poor replacement.

Let me bring that home. You have lost weight and lowered your blood pressure. But have you supressed cancer growth? Have you stopped the progression of atherosclerosis? Are you going to make it to 90? How would you know? The published science doesn't disagree with what you have discovered. Losing weight and lowering blood pressure on an all-meat diet are not in conflict with the nutritional science.

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Jeff Swann 1y ago

You don't really have to throw everything out, just the stupid conclusions. If you take the same studies & data that supposedly show high LDL causes heart disease & you control for low triglycerides you find there is actually a negative correlation between high LDL & all cause mortality. LDL can be separated into different quality lipid particles, those poorly formed from conversion of sugar & carbs into fats (which form plaque), or those from healthy stable saturated animal fats. Low trigs are the best indication that most of your LDL particles are the large fluffy kind from animal fats rather than from sugars. So when you control for the thing that indicates lower carb consumption you get longer life. And it lines up with lots of other stuff, sugar rots your teeth, sugar feeds cancer - they literally dye glucose to identify cancers in scans because cancer cells consume glucose faster than everything else. So a low sugar diet reduces cancer growth. Sugar consumption causes diabetes & pancreatic issues. Steve Jobs (the sugar addicted fruitarian) died of pancreatic cancer.

There are lots of really intelligent doctors & medical professionals doing great work & studying this stuff, but much like Austrians in the economics world they are censored & attacked & treated like black sheep.

We aren't starting from zero, you just don't want to let go of the BS you think you know.

Jeff Swann 1y ago

There was also quite a bit of scientific explanation in the info graphic I included before.

On top of animal foods being more nutritious & more bioavailable, plants protect themselves by producing inflammatory toxins & anti-nutrients:

glycoalkaoids, sulforaphane, salicylates, lectins, phytates, cyanide, trypsin inhibitors, oxalates, tannins, saponins, etc

There really is no lack of availability in scientific info on this subject, just a lack of financial incentive to acknowledge & promote what is true & a lack of desire to hear the truth on the part of carb addicted & brainwashed normies.

Nobody 1y ago

Thanks I've enjoyed the conversation as someone who has gone almost completely carnivore and enjoyed some health benefits. It's nice to hlread what you had to say. I've only heard parts of it referred to before.