It is confusing to see anti state libertarian people adamantly pro organized religion. It's as if you extend logic and reason until a certain point, and refuse to apply it evenly.

I see no positive outcomes from these collectivist groups. They supply all the same, frameworks for the parasitic inclined to manipulate and destroy. Internally granting any convenient excuse to outsource personal responsibility.

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I hear you. I think your bias is in dismissing everything under the banner of “organised religion” without taking time to investigate and try to understand whether what I posted above is objectively true or not. That’s where to me I see your logic not being applied evenly. Don’t trust, verify right?

Furthermore you may not see any positive outcome in these “collectivist groups” as you call them, and I won’t bother trying to shift you from that pov, however some of us know where we came from and how our lives turned around for the better because of these “collectivist groups”. It’s a personal experience that not everyone, including yourself, may not acknowledge or relate to.

At the end of the day, it’s about having a relationship with The Creator of the universe. You may not believe that He exists and that’s fine, each to his own. I just ask you verify for yourself what’s true and what’s not.