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𝕏 is busy battling censorship while Nostr just pretends the fight doesn’t exist.

Free speech isn’t magically won with protocols, it’s won by taking a stand.

tl;dr If Nostr wants to be more than a failed experiment, it needs solutions, not ideology.

𝕏 is where the free speech battle is actually happening. It has the scale, tools and leadership to resist the establishment.

So far, instead of achieving any sort of real-world impact, Nostr has served as some irrelevant notion of ideological purity.

Nostr isn’t solving censorship, it’s avoiding it. Free speech isn’t about running away; it’s about resisting, exposing, and overcoming suppression.

𝕏 is fighting that battle in the real world under direct fire while Nostr pretends that protocols alone protect speech.

Nostr advocates treat decentralization as an end rather than a tool. They act like an unmoderated protocol is a moral victory, ignoring that without filtering or defenses, it collapses into spam, bots, and noise.

If the result is unusable, ideological purity is meaningless.

Let's be clear: Nostr isn't free speech—it’s anarchy disguised as principle.

Let's be honest: beyond its small circle, no one is interested or sees it as practical.

The problem with Nostr isn’t just lack of adoption.

It can’t handle success.

Users will get a mess of relays, bots and garbage if meaningful adoption is ever achieved. Without centralized defenses, there’s no way to stop spam, Sybil attacks, etc. from reducing it to chaos.

Anyone hyping Nostr as a real alternative to 𝕏 ignores the biggest problem—it doesn’t solve information quality. Decentralization alone isn’t enough. A network overrun with bots and noise isn’t free speech, it’s just useless. Without filters, Nostr turns into a chaotic mess.

Normal people don’t want to micromanage their social experience.

They want a platform that just works, not a DIY censorship-resistance experiment that collapses under its own weight. Nostr’s reliance on users picking relays and muting bad actors renders it unworkable at scale.

𝕏, for all its flaws, is the best free speech tool that isn’t controlled by the state (since Jack Dorsey left).

𝕏 has massive engagement and discoverability and every user effectively serves as a moderator.

Nostr could find a niche as an alternative platform for those willing to put in the massive effort to curate their own experience. If developers find ways to manage spam and bots without centralization, it might become usable.

Nostr remains small precisely because it must remain small. At scale, it won't work, which is too bad because a censorship-resistant network should exist (even if it never rivals 𝕏). I hope it somehow succeeds.

At best, Nostr will serve as a backup, a place for anyone who values decentralization over usability.

Like it or not, 𝕏 is and will remain the free speech platform.

If Nostr wants to be more than a niche experiment, it needs real solutions, not just ideology.

Finally, whether intentional or not, Odell and others have pushed Nostr as being critical to the broader Bitcoin movement.

Don't let yourself be distracted and divided by self-righteous Nostr purists like him.

The only protocol to focus on is Bitcoin.

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lol i ain't reading all that but i'm happy for u or sad that happened

He put in the time to explain what he sees lacking in nostr. I think it's relevant to reflect on that if we are serious about growing nostr. I replied to some of his xeets where he's mistaken.

Fair enough. I see a lot of bluster and unbacked opinions. Not much in the way of actionable suggestions.

Reading in between all the insults it sounds like this guy recommends a streamlined relay and algorithm picker for newbies.

OK, cool. Is this a new idea? Who picks the algorithm? How is this different from Primal's trending list?

Nobody asked me but I think nostr should lean into what makes us different. Three things come to mind:

1) Censorship resistance

2) native payments

3) simple protocols

So we need to appeal to people and projects that get banned on mainstream media. Focus on the payment use case. And keep building out new protocols to see what gets adoption.

He doesn't deserve any replies.

Seems like his main gripe is bots... We've got additional protocols for that. Keychats stamping messages is one way. Algos is the same for feeds. Etc. Also, nothing is stopping a relay operator from hiring moderators if that's what people want.

Saying twitter is the best free speech tool discredits everything else he says. Its laughable. He doesnt really make any arguments against nostr except "spam and bots" which twitter is famous for. Pretty sure all the bots were perfected on twitter. Nostr has its flaws but his whole rant comes off as "twitter is great (lol) nostr bad". I dont mind talking about nostrs flaws but the level at which he praises twitter and diminishes nostr is humorous.

Most people want to be managed. I've heard someone say, with absolute conviction, that Elon Musk buying Twitter was the best thing to ever happen to free speech. Personal responsibility never even entered their mind. They're just happy to have a new daddy.

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sounds like lost cause. his "Bitcoin movement" will be intrinsically tied to government

That's not going to age well at all.

It's a bad take and reflects a lack of research into the real solutions built into the protocol (wot, pow, micropayments) for spam/bot control

In any case, Nostr is not a shitter replacement (is that how you pronounce it?)

It's far more than that.

🤮 pow on nostr isn't a "real solution built into the protocol".

Yes, nostr is far far more than just Xitter.

PoW didn't work for any shitcoin, just look at the history

they are all running on fumes at this point

I pick up some sarcasm ... I had brought this argument many times over: POW is indispensable for Bitcoin but on nostr it would really be unnecessary waste. Better add some sats to your post. Some proof-of-payment (POP) instead of proof-of-waste. We all want to know how relays and devs will get paid, yet some support POW? Provably pay sats to me or any of my follows and I will consider it a non-zero-cost message. I might still have a higher threshold to spending time to consume the message and the same might be true with POW but I see zero advantage of using POW vs. POP.

idk what to say

you think you are having an original thought

go research bitmessage and come back to me

i don't have time for this shit that you can easily learn for yourself with about an hour's work

That could easily be called a long note!