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Now that big pharma has a weight loss “wonder” drug (ozempic, wegovy etc…) watch the fat acceptance movement virtually disappear overnight.

Obesity will be reclassified as a disease, insurance will pay for semaglutide drugs and our mainstream culture will swing back to fat shaming as the norm.

I bring this to your attention because it’s important that you understand Incentives run the world.

And culture is not a spontaneous or organic phenomenon but a second order effect which resides downstream of monetary incentives.

Bill Cypher 2y ago

You really believe the pharmaceutical companies? You shouldn't. Dig a little deeper and you'll find those drugs make your face ugly, your butt ugly, and the weight loss stops then reverses after a little over a year.

The government is happy to be complicit in them selling you drugs that cost you a ton of money, don't work, and have bad side effects. Later, after the people catch on, there will be small fines so the government can pretend to be on our side. Then the drugs will be removed from the market. These drugs are a passing fad, same as every prior weight loss drug.

History is a very powerful field of knowledge, helps you spot and avoid the new thing that is actually another one of those. At least this time they only make you ugly and don't work instead of your heart exploding at 20. Another round of obvious bullshit interventions will only serve to strengthen the fat acceptance movement.

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HODL 2y ago

I put “wonder” in quotes to convey that I don’t believe it. That should have been obvious.

Bill Cypher 2y ago

If the drugs don't work, we already have data proving they don't, then the fat acceptance movement won't die. It will only strengthen their resolve and distrust of the medical establishment.

Black people still don't trust doctors long after Tuskegee. Fat people have been sold miracle drugs after miracle drug that doesn't work. They are headed the same way as a class of people. I know people who feel the doctor is a waste of time because they will blame everything on their weight. Like they haven't tried everything the doctor told them to do to lose weight their entire life.

We are in complete agreement that broken incentives are leading to bad behavior that is completely predictable. I just think you are missing some information and got your prediction wrong because of it.

I see you post about fat people and exercise an awful lot. It makes it sound like you might have a body dismorphia issue and or some deep seated bigotry. Positive interventions always work better than bullying or shaming. Even if you are aiming that bullying and shaming at yourself.

HODL 2y ago

The drugs do work though if you don’t desist.

That’s why pharma is going to push people to be on them permanently like they do with statins.

I think that’s the part you might be missing.

Bill Cypher 2y ago

They only work in the short term and with bad side effects according to the data, that is even on people who kept taking them.

Pharmaceutical companies will absolutely push for everyone to be on them all the time, right up until about 9 months before they get pulled off the market. They only care about profits, not effectiveness. They know from history any fines will be a tiny percentage of the profits.

HODL 2y ago

Yeah we agree on that