Now that big pharma has a weight loss “wonder” drug (ozempic, wegovy etc…) watch the fat acceptance movement virtually disappear overnight.

Obesity will be reclassified as a disease, insurance will pay for semaglutide drugs and our mainstream culture will swing back to fat shaming as the norm.

I bring this to your attention because it’s important that you understand Incentives run the world.

And culture is not a spontaneous or organic phenomenon but a second order effect which resides downstream of monetary incentives.

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I find that if you have little to no exposure to mainstream/social media, these cultural trends barely exist in real life. Everyone fit continues being fit. Same for unfit

This is absolutely true

These oligopolies are as predictable as clockwork. They’ve already got talking heads on the M5M talking up their miracle cures

That’s a positive, I guess

“heroin chic” is a big trend right now

Again.

😳 no

😑 ffs why?!?!

honestly idk, i just know my friends are all hopping on it.

I love this line from the authors bio: “She harbors unhinged opinions on goldfish, Garfield, and The Strokes.”

She makes an interesting point that changing beauty standards are really just a way to display one’s wealth.

It is a disease 🦠

Big pharma makes billions in profit from treating disease. People dont realize there is no incentive for them to cure anything as profits would soon dry up.

They would rather have you paying for medications that cause nasty side effects for the rest of your life rather than live a healthy lifestyle and educate people on making healthy choices for themselves.

Any negative side effects that the drug has? I guess it will have some. I guess no druh will replace healthy balanced nutrition (meat, fish, veggies, fibers) and sufficient physical activity.

They’re pretty new so we don’t know yet but pharma loves them because you have to stay on them in order to revive the benefits

How’s that different from selling heroine then? 🤣

It’s not bro lol their other business is to literally sell heroin

Big pharma is just a legalized drug cartel killing more than the underground markets.

I can't believe how many boomers are doing prescription drugs, not their prescriptions, but it's okay cause they're prescription drugs.

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Imagine the percentage of all the side effects, regardless of how small, spread across all of society for very single drug?

We’re not healthier because of this, we’ve created a whole host of new problems that humans have never had before

But everyone thinks because side effects are small or inconsequential that it doesn’t happen to them, it happens to other people. Even when it does happen to them.

Just get on a new drug to “solve” the latest problem

Only time will tell about the negative impacts of GLP-1 drugs but anecdotally I’m seeing and hearing of higher lean tissue loss to fat loss ratio when compared to non GLP-1 caloric restriction and I don’t know why. It’s especially alarming for older folks who may never get back that lean tissue.

It’s obvious why. Most people have inadequate protein intakes and they don’t strength train. If they began training and eating 150 grams of protein then there wouldn’t be as much lean tissue loss

Very true. Doing that will work wonders for most of the population. It’s hard to get folks to even consume 0.6g of protein/lb of body weight let alone 1g which would be ideal.

What’s strange about this stuff is that even with similar caloric/macronutrient intake and exercise regimen the weight loss tends to come from a greater loss in lean tissue after taking GLP-1 drugs compared to before at least anecdotally in clients. This part I don’t get.

If I could get people to choose the low time preference approach you point out rather than the easier but potentially dangerous way, I’d be happy but it’s hard to overcome the immediacy mindset combined with the influence of money and power behind these drugs. These are so popular now in my area that doctors have a specific section of their websites devoted to GLP-1 prescriptions.

I’d like to see the effect it has on say bodybuilders who are cutting. My guess is there wouldn’t be as much lean tissue loss, but maybe that’s wrong.

That’s a great question. From what people tell me the drug makes you nauseous even when smelling food and they have to sometimes choke it down. May not be the ideal tool a bodybuilder would want to use for precision nutritional intake but it would be interesting to see.

Bodybuilders are psychos. I bet they’re already abusing this to extremis. lol

You really believe the pharmaceutical companies? You shouldn't. Dig a little deeper and you'll find those drugs make your face ugly, your butt ugly, and the weight loss stops then reverses after a little over a year.

The government is happy to be complicit in them selling you drugs that cost you a ton of money, don't work, and have bad side effects. Later, after the people catch on, there will be small fines so the government can pretend to be on our side. Then the drugs will be removed from the market. These drugs are a passing fad, same as every prior weight loss drug.

History is a very powerful field of knowledge, helps you spot and avoid the new thing that is actually another one of those. At least this time they only make you ugly and don't work instead of your heart exploding at 20. Another round of obvious bullshit interventions will only serve to strengthen the fat acceptance movement.

I put “wonder” in quotes to convey that I don’t believe it. That should have been obvious.

If the drugs don't work, we already have data proving they don't, then the fat acceptance movement won't die. It will only strengthen their resolve and distrust of the medical establishment.

Black people still don't trust doctors long after Tuskegee. Fat people have been sold miracle drugs after miracle drug that doesn't work. They are headed the same way as a class of people. I know people who feel the doctor is a waste of time because they will blame everything on their weight. Like they haven't tried everything the doctor told them to do to lose weight their entire life.

We are in complete agreement that broken incentives are leading to bad behavior that is completely predictable. I just think you are missing some information and got your prediction wrong because of it.

I see you post about fat people and exercise an awful lot. It makes it sound like you might have a body dismorphia issue and or some deep seated bigotry. Positive interventions always work better than bullying or shaming. Even if you are aiming that bullying and shaming at yourself.

The drugs do work though if you don’t desist.

That’s why pharma is going to push people to be on them permanently like they do with statins.

I think that’s the part you might be missing.

They only work in the short term and with bad side effects according to the data, that is even on people who kept taking them.

Pharmaceutical companies will absolutely push for everyone to be on them all the time, right up until about 9 months before they get pulled off the market. They only care about profits, not effectiveness. They know from history any fines will be a tiny percentage of the profits.

Yeah we agree on that

I feel obesity will be treated like type-2 diabetes; almost a “self-induced” based disease. And that weight loss tablets should be used to help prevent secondary conditions such as heart disease/diabetes and should be used along with education and mental support with other weight loss methods such as exercise and diet control.

Remember, It is always easy to offer an opinion when we are the ones not wanting or needing to take the pills ourselves.

Whether people decide to take these pills and injections or not isn’t really my business. I’m just pointing out how money rules the world.

The options are always going to be there. With the development of CRISPR there is going to be even more choice in the world soon!

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Yes. Obesity has always been about addiction and gluttony. There are psychological and physiological reasons for the behavior that are absolutely legitimate, however the base behaviors remain the same. No one seems to want to be accountable for their actions, without accountability there will likely be no change. I predict there will be horrific side effects from any obesity medication.