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They're a shitcoin promoting fiat maximalism company who work with a coinjoining setup that allows for censorship of transactions. Other than that they might be fine people with good hardware.
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Wondrej 2y ago

In my opinion, there is an urgent need for Bitcoin privacy tools that

are accessible to everyday users like me. The coinjoin implementation by Trezor

has been meticulously researched and executed, and their track record

speaks for itself. As a user, I am looking for a simple and secure

solution to enhance my coin privacy, while avoiding any association with

criminal activity. The Wasabi/zkSNACKs+Trezor/SatoshiLabs teams have

put a great deal of thought into addressing this nuanced issue, which

unfortunately requires a deep technical understanding. Did you know they

utilize Tor and block filters to protect incoming UTXOs? Your criticism

of their work is unwarranted, and I urge you to do further research

before making such claims.

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stupleb 2y ago

Bitcoin privacy tools exist and are free and open for anyone to use WITHOUT censored transactions. If your don't know about them, yes, you can use Wasabi instead.

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Wondrej 2y ago

So you need to sent your btc to service, that may support transactions for child porn and etc. so that will be mine bitcoin connected to immoral actions and then send back to other hw wallet then Trezor ? What wallet and service u can recommend that is allready in hw wallet and easy to use?

I think if btc should work like that, we would start like a monero, but that ship sailed away.

I can see why they, as a company, want to protect themselves from being

involved with immoral actions. I can see both arguments and both are

valid. I personally don't see it as an huge issue. I thought it is kinda bigger deal, when ppls on Xitter still frouding these wallets.

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stupleb 2y ago

Ah, the CP fud straight off the bat. Go forth NPC, and drown in your own coddled stupidity and subservience.

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Wondrej 2y ago

I was looking for a normal discussion because I wanted to understand what is going on. Thanks for your time, now I get it, but you started calling me an NPC instead of answering my question about the immoral behavior.

I'll quit here, thanks for your time and have a nice day.

#Pv #Nostr

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Wondrej 2y ago

If i get it right the point against Trezor is that they partnered with a company that doesn't want to participate in anonymizing BTC that was used for illicit activities, leaving CoinJoin for use by law-abiding anonymizers and reducing their risk of being shutdown like mixers have been, which improves their long-term viability. IMO an overreaction and overly dramatic. Using CoinJoin (which is a choice) seems perfectly harmless to me. They might refuse your coins, but that doesn't make you worse off than if they didn't offer the service.

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Wondrej 2y ago

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You know world is not black and white.

Although you called me npc like you are the mindgod, you still didn’t answered me that what a service and hw you suggest and if I’m right with that if you mix your coins in these services, governments can took it like a something connected to cp etc. and I can have a problems with that because of government or it is save ?

I don’t really want to struggle with a government or with a banks.

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Saberhagen The Nameless 2y ago

Tools are neutral. Tools cannot be good or bad. That is only applicable to the individual using them.

Criminals and immoral people live in houses, drive vehicles, own smartphones, drink water, eat food, etc...I'm assuming you still use all these things

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Wondrej 2y ago

Finally someone normal, i got all of your points man ! In that point with immoral thinks im totally losted. Maybe i should not overthink as i do.

Ppls are good and bad, but they should not be censored. I get it now and thanks again for your point ! I learned from it a lot. Wanted to zap you, but i cant. Do u have allowed LN sirr ?

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Saberhagen The Nameless 2y ago

Yes, any of these tools must be permissionless and neutral, otherwise it defeats the point of doing any of this. If some centralized power can choose who or who can't use Bitcoin, then it will be abused and biased like anything else. And often the people controlling it are some of the worst to begin with. Think of the ring of power from LOTR. That power eventually corrupts any who wield it even if they start with good intentions.

From the bitcoin white paper: "the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required..."

Appreciate it. I don't have LN, but if you want here is my Monero address:

86VVQzMJ9FGGkPcpNC8YXLHLiADQXXRZg7sfbjjsscHfQdU3wDWDhY6UtHApNUGbzmQoAtQZS62QBdnvjBCv9UvaQwbM73n