They're a shitcoin promoting fiat maximalism company who work with a coinjoining setup that allows for censorship of transactions. Other than that they might be fine people with good hardware.
Sounds crazy to me that Trezor is against #Bitcoin ethos.
"Without the freedom to transact, we have no power to secure our rights.
That's why we're here-to help you grab hold of your financial independence and digital security."
Actually they invented a lot of things for security on Bitcoin, so why would they do something vs Bitcoin ethos ?
They are actually opensource also.
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I think you're just getting caught up in the Twitter drama. No offense. Trezor is open source, has the option of Bitcoin only firmware, and made an honest attempt at implementing coinjoins in their Trezor suite. That much is fact.
What's a Twitter? It's not my fault you asked questions about a video your didn't understand and got facts your refuse to accept.
You asked for help, and then espoused how great the protocol is as for a law-abiding citizen.
You are either a spook, or just dumb.
It's about the sustainability of the company, isn't it ?
If it wasn't opensource then I would understand it , but this way I just see that some people would rather go to the extreme and throw dirt on someone's hard work with which they do for the Bitcoin ecosystem.Idk at the start i thought there is somenthing bigger then only this, so thats why i stood up for that protocol, the company has to operate in reality and not in some pseudo universe where it would work the way we want it to, where no one would be censored.
You are right that companies must protect themselves (and the jobs of the people that work there).
It's almost as if the free and open nature of bitcoin is at odds with entities that must maintain compliance 🤔🤔🤔
Yeah, exactly this.
But thanks that u stopped here, the way I asked the first question should have been phrased differently, given the kind vibe of discussion I was looking for.
Unfortunately my English is sometimes nonsensical, especially when I write on freestyle, the fact that English is not my first language shows a lot :D
But every day on #Nostr I learn new things and your note made me rethink my thoughts, and that's always good ! Thanks
I understand. Thanks for the discussion. Glad I could help.
In my opinion, there is an urgent need for Bitcoin privacy tools that
are accessible to everyday users like me. The coinjoin implementation by Trezor
has been meticulously researched and executed, and their track record
speaks for itself. As a user, I am looking for a simple and secure
solution to enhance my coin privacy, while avoiding any association with
criminal activity. The Wasabi/zkSNACKs+Trezor/SatoshiLabs teams have
put a great deal of thought into addressing this nuanced issue, which
unfortunately requires a deep technical understanding. Did you know they
utilize Tor and block filters to protect incoming UTXOs? Your criticism
of their work is unwarranted, and I urge you to do further research
before making such claims.
Bitcoin privacy tools exist and are free and open for anyone to use WITHOUT censored transactions. If your don't know about them, yes, you can use Wasabi instead.
So you need to sent your btc to service, that may support transactions for child porn and etc. so that will be mine bitcoin connected to immoral actions and then send back to other hw wallet then Trezor ? What wallet and service u can recommend that is allready in hw wallet and easy to use?
I think if btc should work like that, we would start like a monero, but that ship sailed away.
I can see why they, as a company, want to protect themselves from being
involved with immoral actions. I can see both arguments and both are
valid. I personally don't see it as an huge issue. I thought it is kinda bigger deal, when ppls on Xitter still frouding these wallets.
Ah, the CP fud straight off the bat. Go forth NPC, and drown in your own coddled stupidity and subservience.
I was looking for a normal discussion because I wanted to understand what is going on. Thanks for your time, now I get it, but you started calling me an NPC instead of answering my question about the immoral behavior.
I'll quit here, thanks for your time and have a nice day.
#Pv #Nostr
If i get it right the point against Trezor is that they partnered with a company that doesn't want to participate in anonymizing BTC that was used for illicit activities, leaving CoinJoin for use by law-abiding anonymizers and reducing their risk of being shutdown like mixers have been, which improves their long-term viability. IMO an overreaction and overly dramatic. Using CoinJoin (which is a choice) seems perfectly harmless to me. They might refuse your coins, but that doesn't make you worse off than if they didn't offer the service.
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You know world is not black and white.
Although you called me npc like you are the mindgod, you still didn’t answered me that what a service and hw you suggest and if I’m right with that if you mix your coins in these services, governments can took it like a something connected to cp etc. and I can have a problems with that because of government or it is save ?
I don’t really want to struggle with a government or with a banks.
Tools are neutral. Tools cannot be good or bad. That is only applicable to the individual using them.
Criminals and immoral people live in houses, drive vehicles, own smartphones, drink water, eat food, etc...I'm assuming you still use all these things
Finally someone normal, i got all of your points man ! In that point with immoral thinks im totally losted. Maybe i should not overthink as i do.
Ppls are good and bad, but they should not be censored. I get it now and thanks again for your point ! I learned from it a lot. Wanted to zap you, but i cant. Do u have allowed LN sirr ?
Yes, any of these tools must be permissionless and neutral, otherwise it defeats the point of doing any of this. If some centralized power can choose who or who can't use Bitcoin, then it will be abused and biased like anything else. And often the people controlling it are some of the worst to begin with. Think of the ring of power from LOTR. That power eventually corrupts any who wield it even if they start with good intentions.
From the bitcoin white paper: "the main benefits are lost if a trusted third party is still required..."
Appreciate it. I don't have LN, but if you want here is my Monero address:
86VVQzMJ9FGGkPcpNC8YXLHLiADQXXRZg7sfbjjsscHfQdU3wDWDhY6UtHApNUGbzmQoAtQZS62QBdnvjBCv9UvaQwbM73n