> "The good news is that politicians will no more be able to dominate, suppress, and regulate the greater part of commerce in [the cyber economy] than the legislators of the ancient Greek city-states could have trimmed the beard of Zeus"

- The Sovereign Individual

come on, sovereign individuals, spin up a #catallax instance, generate a nym and a cashu wallet (seems that the book mentions nostr:nprofile1qqsrf5h4ya83jk8u6t9jgc76h6kalz3plp9vusjpm2ygqgalqhxgp9gpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kytcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9uv45qez) and help make this prediction a reality.

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No promises, but this is something I might try soon, why not

Kind of having a classic cold-start problem, as would be expected

Don't yet know what's involved, but if it's not complicated it seems like a good avenue for me to learn a few technical things, with a cool use case. So, perhaps :/

This is going to sound easier than it is but:

- build a catallax client app that people would actually want to use

- optionally work in some fee-taking structure that makes it worth your while

- ...profit?

If you go to https://shakespeare.diy/ and scroll down to "More apps" and expand that section, you'll see the original catallax vibe-coded "reference client" and you can "Edit with Shakespeare" if you want to screw with it via AI. Again, easier said than done, but there are some bones there to get started with.

Didn't realize you'd vibe coded it. I gather you are a savvy coder, so assuming it's not some hallucinated monstrosity

I'll bother you in the future if I do in fact end up trying something

i want to rewrite it by hand now that i have the lay of the land. i personally find it rather shameful that its vibed, but i was in a rush. and if i clean it up and keep it on shakespeare there is actually a lot of potential in the basic catallax flow being a forkable template on their app!

Step one, click the link and open it, is complete.

I'll make an effort to familiarize myself with it a bit, beyond the one time I did in past, and we'll see where that goes

Does Catallax have "instances"? I thought it was just structured messages on Nostr...

Yea I was being a little loose with that note.

The thing is, clients are schelling points. especially for "Other Stuff". sure, anyone could "do catallax things" using `nak` at the command line, but nobody is going to. https://www.lightningbounties.com/ works because.. well.. there's a central URL. People go there, they talk about it. Of course this centralization is useful! It's also the problem!

Until catallax Kinds are ubiquitous and the use-cases there are valuable enough to people to start popping up in other clients (not unlike the nostr marketplace items appear in a lot of "social feed" apps, along with the purpose-built marketplace clients), most activity is probably going to appear **at some URL**. My hope was that I'd put a reference client out (I have) and it would just function as a demo until someone _else_ went a built their own thing.

That basically depends on some entrepreneur determining that they want to run XYZ style service, probably take some fee for providing some extra value, and then hang out a shingle and attract customers. Catallax, as a protocol, would power that service, basically as a gift, but **I** don't want to be that entrepreneur.

I'm rambling, and I think you already know a lot of these things from talking to me previously - but there are some thoughts :)

One thing I wish we did is call Bitcoin a cybercurrency instead of cryptocurrency from the beginning, sounds cooler and the term was already coined in The Sovereign Individual

let's do it

I just think of Bitcoin as a currency now but better than the NZD. It’s funny how your thinking changes over time.

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