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There's a whole laundry list of proofs that I find independently convincing, but if I had to pick just one single argument to hang my hat on for why I believe the Earth is flat and stationary, it is the STARS & PLANETS, and their paths in the sky from Earth's POV.

How do you explain in the heliocentric model, how every star traces perfect circles around the North Star, and every PLANET traces perfect sacred geometrical patterns around the North Star as well?

According to the heliocentric model of the solar system (2nd pic) all of these spinning ball planets in the Milky Way are orbiting the SUN, at different speeds and path circumferences, at distance ranges from 36 million to 2.8 billion miles away from us.

The North Star, NASA tells us, is 2.5 QUADRILLION miles away.

Now tell me how these independently spinning planets, which are orbiting the Sun and practically right next to us compared to the North Star, would trace these PERFECT patterns around the North Star for 6,000+ years of recorded history?

Does that make logical sense to you?

Not to mention EVERY SINGLE CONSTELLATION has remained the exact same in our sky for 6,000 years?

Remember, these are all of Earth's movement vectors we are supposedly experiencing as we soar through the infinitely-expanding void of space 👇

🫨 1,000 MPH spinning around Earth's axis

🫨 66,600 MPH flying around Sun

🫨 500,000 MPH flying through the galaxy

🫨 1,300,000 MPH entire galaxy flying through space

🫨 Not to mention the entire universe is EXPANDING, speeding all of these vectors up and warping the directions in different/random ways

🫨 Not to mention ALL OF THE STARS we see are flying in different directions too, at their own incomprehensible speeds

And yet, the stars we see in the night sky have remained the EXACT SAME.

FOREVER.

The "it's parallax" response from the globers doesn't even close to cut it for me - that to me sounds like a glaring example of starting with a pre-determined conclusion in mind, and making anything up in the middle in order to get to that conclusion. (I WILL GRANT HOWEVER, that at least the parallax effect is something we can visibly see and experience on the micro level—unlike "gravity"—so I will concede that it obviously exists. I just don't believe that it explains all of the above motions, distances, and perfection of consistency in the patterns created by the cosmology we visibly see).

Every ounce of my common sense-trusting brain tells me all of these insanely huge numbers are just brain-numbing nonsense to obfuscate away from the far-simpler truth: that NONE of these incomprehensible speeds/distances are even happening at all.

The Earth is flat and stationary, just as it looks and feels.

The North Star (Polaris) lies directly above the North Pole, and does not move.

The stars and planets rotate around the North Star, above Earth.

I dove into way more nuance on all of these above concepts, as well as the claims I made, in the first 3 Parts of the 4-Part Flat Earth series I'm building on the podcast.

Listen to those episodes (links below) for a far more thorough explanation on the above. And please, if you have refuting points to share with me, I would love to hear them!

https://youtu.be/1bj7QHby69s

https://youtu.be/TSWx8e74r0g

https://youtu.be/hQ3ZXsvTLyg

At first I really thought this was all crazy talk- but some of your points are actually thought provoking if nothing else- the part I don’t understand still is how can you fly all the way around the earth?

As in how can you fly from San Fran to Tokyo for example? I don’t understand this part at all if the earth is flat

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The earth has been circumnavigated east-to-west tons of times - it has NEVER been done north-south.

And doing that east-west flight (or sailing) around the flat earth would show the same on the compass as on the globe model (east the entire time for example), as compasses always point to the north pole on either model.

Around the 1:09:00 mark of the second half of the Flat Earth Dave interview I just uploaded, the guy that comes on and talks about timezones is a professional sailor who's circumnavigated the Earth multiple times himself, and became a flat-earther as a result because he saw all the inconsistencies and put the pieces together.

As for the flight paths, I decided not to dig super deeply into that one with Dave, because with all the bonus content, the 2 parts are already almost 5 hours LOL. If you went to Rumble/Bitchute/Odysee and searched "flat earth flight paths", I'm sure you could find some good resources on that

But short answer: I'd assume something just like in the attached pic! I wouldn't overthink it, it's equally as straight of a flight as it would be on the globe model

i’m into it, still have questions as well. how about all these space x rocket launches im seeing. where are the rockets going?

Nice one- 2 questions spring to mind

1. So what happens at the edge of the flat earth? Could you just fall off it/ why has no one found this spot yet as surely this is just all the proof anyone would need?

2. If the earth was like this surely flights in the southern parts would take much much longer (ie Sydney to Argentina)

Some extra thoughts from AI which maybe you can help with…