Saif has a way with words 👌

"The idea of not killing animals sounds nice but it's completely baseless because eating plants kills far far more animals than eating animals. One cow is enough to feed the average person for an entire year. But to feed that same person on crops requires a genocide of rodents, rabbits, birds, and insects to transform a rich ecosystem into monocrop land. Cows graze in lush diverse ecosystems with plenty of species thriving. Plants are grown in monocrop fields where everything has to be killed to ensure the plants can be harvested for humans and not eaten by other animals.

But of course the real inhumanity of a plant based diet is that it harms the humans and destroys their health. So you're killing many more animals in order to kill yourself slowly."

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Genuinely curious - many blue some countries skew 90% plus plant based. I’m curious why people who live so long generally end up eating more plants. Wdyt?

they don't

- Okinawans eat pigs nose-to-tail as well as lots of fish

- Sardinians eat ham and sausages from the wild Sarda pig, along with goat and sheep milk + cheeses

- Costa Ricans on the Nicoya peninsula have always eaten poultry, fish, eggs, turtles and wild game. A 2013 study found Nicoyans eat more animal proteins (fish & meat) than other Costa Ricans

- Seventh Day Adventists in California in the 60's and 70's were big advocates of raw dairy

The whole blue zone thing having to do with eating fewer animals is a myth or flawed propaganda or both. Plenty of sources online to dig into, but most people just watch netflix so

Yea they def all eat meat but I’d be interested to understand the actual proportions. It’s unclear to me. The official blue zone website itself says 95% plant based here: https://www.bluezones.com/recipes/food-guidelines/

But then again to your point supposedly the whole blue zone thing is entirely a fraud itself:

yes, it's a statistical grift combined with bad record keeping

The "blue zones" stop having as many centenarians after modern birth records start. turns out lots of people claim to have 100-year-old grandparents when there no documents exist to prove they don't

This took me down a very interesting rabbit hole. Thank you.

Is this from his newest book ?

i don't think so? he's mentioned this before for sure, but i grabbed this quote from his Telegram channel today

Right on, its an interesting take. I like when Saif gets you thinking about things from different perspectives.

Maybe he has a way with words, but these ones aren’t speaking truthfully.

Most pasture land is cleared for grazing, no different then clearing for crops, and plenty of rodents, rabbits, birds, and other creatures die because of it.

Exactly. The question becomes: What are the animals eating that you're eating?

Maybe most NEW pasture land is cleared, but I'm from the Canadian prairies and I assure you most cattle are raised on land that has been prairie for thousands of years and was NOT cleared for pasture.

Well check out Brazil sometime and see how land for cattle is created there.

Canadian cows don’t feed the world.

Between the US and Canada we produce roughly a quarter (22.8%) of the world's beef on land that was already prairie

At 1.1%, I guess you agree with me that Canadian cows do not feed the world.

Second, if you think USA cows live off of natural prairies, you’re sorely mistaken.

A majority of cows in the USA eat grains grown elsewhere.

So in saif’s made up scenario that suits his talking points, the cows actually are on both sides of the equation, eating the same grains from cleared land he is speaking against.

Is this supposed to be some kind of satire?

Nope

There is a professional hunter in my country who is bery hated among vegetarians for talking about her job in public interviews. She shut their mouths by sayng in one of the interviews. The most animals I shot in one of the jobs were monkeys at an avocado farm.

I am the only one to say this text is complete bullshit?!

In US for example 70% of cows live in factory farms. They're being fed with food coming from monocultures that destroy biodiversity.

But yeah, nice words being just words.

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No you’re not, I agree with you, saif is just lying through his teeth to support his thesis.

Cows are a miracle that turn marginally arable grassland not suitable for farming into meat that provides optimal human nutrition.

They’re also very, very tasty.

There are some wonderful projects happening that might surprise you.

Once we leave the extractive and large-scale framework of conventional agriculture, things start to open up a lot.

What do you mean by "agricultural land?" My land is not "agricultural land" but we might be close to filling all of our protein needs within just a few years, and in the meantime we're seeing dramatically more biodiversity and we're building the fertility of the soils.

If you're curious to explore more -

Silvopasture = growing trees on animal pasture (so: fertile soils, protein, nut/fruit crops from the trees).

Permaculture = incredibly productive and rich ecosystems

Intensive rotational grazing = moving ruminants around as they graze, which dramatically improves pasture (so eventually means much more productive land) and improves soil (which means better drought resistance and stronger ecosystem in general)

Wise use of animals and land contouring can lead to big improvement in fertility and food production in nearly every climate.

Then there's the use of biochar, thoughtful interplantings/symbiotic relationships, hydroponics... there's a lot going on and plenty of room for hope outside the factory farming and monocropping world besides cows in the Alps.