*client not protocols 🤦
maybe i should shut up since i don’t have any skin in the game, nor do i even understand technology in the slightest.
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You shouldn't need to understand it, is the thing.
What really helps is having clients aimed at onboarding different audiences, with different community relays as default, so that Nostr is really just used as a communications protocol, rather than as the product. The product is the app+relay combination that they are using, and the product is what uses Nostr, not the user.
Once they've gotten used to Nostr, then they can start adding in more relays and using other clients, and etc. The first one they use is very important, tho, I think.
It's essential to just acknowledge that Primal is a bitcoin community app, but that anyone can use it because you can de-bitcoinify it a bit with your user settings. But onboarding absolutely everyone to a Bitcoin community app is not ideal.
Also, many Bitcoiners are fickle users, as they surge in and out dramatically, with swings in price or some shitstorm. So, users who arrive when the Bitcoiners are all here, might have a positive experience, and then the Bitcoiners all migrate back to X, and the feeds suddenly go ded. That's why we need more users who aren't just here to talk about Bitcoin stuff, so that usage is more steady and the biggest npubs don't ghost for weeks or months at a time.
All of that said, we're slowly getting more apps tailored to the wider public, but it's hard to compete with the marketing power Jack, Odell, Gigi, etc. If they don't promote it, it doesn't exist, basically, unless the dev themselves has 50k+ followers (which is usually only the case if they've been here since Day 1).
IMO, targeting regular casual entertainment-seeking normies is not where the money will be for building stuff with nostr tech
you want to get customers who are running a dev shop or research labs with distributed locations and similar sorts of businesses who need comms and an easily searchable archive of all kinds of data, including git repositories and documents, stuff like calendars and interfaces to teleconferencing tools
they also don't need to particularly know how it works, but they will like it for reasons like, for example, a dev shop may not want to be trusting the highly untrustworthy microsoft to not spider their private repositories into their AI models, or even just get hacked and have their data dumped on the dark web
People trying things out in the free time is cheap marketing, tho. Lots of the time, it's the sys admin or dev suggesting the company use something he's played around with in his free time or used while he was at an internship or etc. They don't like to recommend unfamiliar things, so you need to have a freemium version out there, to get your foot in the purchasing-department door.
That's why we're putting so much effort into the content displayed from the relays, so that people can go there and see how everything works and use it casually, for a time, before deciding if they _really_ want to use it. That means it needs to "look alive" and show some relatable stuff, but have no gross content.
you can do/post what you want, i have a feeling it is discouraging to those that are thinking of building, or currently building .. to read open ended question threads like this proclaiming a problem with no solution(s).
maybe im just out of touch and this kind of thing actually helps and i can just shut up because i grew up before internet and have a weak tolerance for constant doom or whatever is the thing these days.
if i had used social media before now, it prob could have easily ruined my life, opinions and resolve to succeed or at least try.
The people who grew up before the Internet aren't the ones struggling with this because we're used to digging around and finding other people in obscure places on the web. Someone who grew up with social media feeds is lost, if they show up on a client and people just say "find your tribe, adjust your relays, choose your client".
Also, you're an IT expert and most users aren't.
And, at any rate, this thread already helped promote some clients nobody has heard of, so I appreciate it. It's rare to get a chance to plug anything off the beaten path.
The rest of the feed is just people getting extremely excited about whatever Jack just, so this is really refreshing, TBH. 😂
Jack isn't actually the only person on Nostr. Few know this.
ah good, yes keep promoting the lesser known projects. we can't all be besties with derek ross.
No. Don't shut up. That is precisely the problem.
People are finally starting to see how boorishly nitwitty the primal crew is because others are pointing it out, and a lot of the other "key nostr devs" are also finally being revealed as hacky egoists.
This is Nostr. You can't be (easily) censored. Say what you want, when you want.
the tall one at the back looks bosnian ;)
Just looks like a typical tall white dude to me🤷.
bosnians are tall and he reminds me of one i used to know
also, "white dudes" are found all over europe, but they do have some distinctive traits
also i can believe by how white that beach is that it's actually in croatia
I need to visit Croatia before I die. I take it you've been there?
just rode a bus through it on the way to banja luka a couple of times
i understand the beaches are very nice
Yep, that's what I've heard. Would make for a nice family vacation, perhaps.
True. I'm mostly Irish, but I definitely inherited the german gene when it comes to height. My dad is actually friends with a former german coworker of his who's 6'7. Nice guy. Great stock trader. I wonder if he bought into bitcoin🤔...