See

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2021/9/16/ownership-and-future-mullvad-vpn/

And

https://archive.is/2019.04.10-093807/http://vpnscam.com/tesonet-data-mining-company-owns-nordvpn-protonmail-protonvpn/

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Do any of you know of a BTC/lightning encrypted option for a Todo list type app?

Like you’re looking for a E2EE Todo List SaaS payable in BTC over LN?

Ideally yes. Or on chain.

> Our investment horizon is “to plant trees in the shade of which we will never sit”.

Based.

I’ve also heard stories over the years of mullvad devs taking extreme caution, verging on paranoia. Thinks like neutering all the IO on laptops of company employees.

I've actually read these articles before. The second article is written by a moron. Sorry.

> the company openly states it employs many different technologies to structure data, which is run on various services like MySQL, Anisble, collectd, StatsD, ElasticSearch, Grafana, Influx DB, Python, and Couchbase. ALL of these names rely on HEAVY USER INFORMATION

They lost all credibility there.

Ouch. Yeah that’s a dumb statement.

Still prefer that mullvad doesn’t ask for an email address at all. Proton knows my email address already for obv reasons. Separation of concerns is good for opsec.

I also think Mozilla switched from white labeling proton to mullvad. Wonder if there was a juicy reason for that or no.