I use ProtonVPN. Why do you like Mullvad so much?

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Another Proton brotha! I get it as part of my mail package anyways.

Proton is great. They run pretty good black friday sales.

Yeah, their Black Friday sales make it super affordable.

fucck I forgot that i am an pazing customer of Proton , damn

but i understood Mullvad way better and got the App and openVPN working with mz other verz complex network setup

why do you use proton?

Because I've used it for years and I use it with their email.

Proton is a good service and they accept bitcoin. If only there was a really easy way to run own email server...

They do accept bitcoin, though I've never used it as payment.

I have because I like the idea that they don't know my real identity + the mail is encrypted with my key, so they couldn't trace me even if they wanted... atleast not so easily.

spend bitcoin and replace 🤙🏽

Get the sats economy moving

Sorry, I mean that I've never used bitcoin as payment for Proton. I've used bitcoin as payment for many, many, many things.

TIL proton accept bitcoin 💜

Its a *little* convoluted but it totally works. You buy credits with bitcoin and then pay your sub with credits.

It sounds like your use case is less about anonymity and more about mundane things like getting around the airport WiFi tracking/vulnerabilities. Which is cool, not everyone needs to be anon. Proton is fine for that use case :).

THIS. I use it when I leave my house and connect to WiFi that I do not own. I also use it at my house when I do bitcoin related things. That's it. It's not so much about privacy for me as it is for security. 🤙

You can pay for Mullvad vouchers over Tor with Lightning at https://vpn.sovereign.engineering/ then generate custom Wireguard configs (options for phishing blocks, ad blocks etc.) that you can plug into any Wireguard client. Or just use the Mullvad app.

- Best account creation ever

- discount for paying in bitcoin

- lots of useful features (wireguard and openvpn, can forward a port for you)

- tons of servers all over the world, easy to switch at will, low latency

- solid native apps

Just an all around great offering.

LOVE Mullvad!

Although their IPs do get blocked from quite a few places, which is annoying, but expected.

no ⚡️yet, right?

Not directly, but there are a couple places that resell mullvad credits for lightning

carl dong has a lightning top up proxy vpn.lightning.engineering. it works!

Do any of you know of a BTC/lightning encrypted option for a Todo list type app?

Like you’re looking for a E2EE Todo List SaaS payable in BTC over LN?

Ideally yes. Or on chain.

> Our investment horizon is “to plant trees in the shade of which we will never sit”.

Based.

I’ve also heard stories over the years of mullvad devs taking extreme caution, verging on paranoia. Thinks like neutering all the IO on laptops of company employees.

I've actually read these articles before. The second article is written by a moron. Sorry.

> the company openly states it employs many different technologies to structure data, which is run on various services like MySQL, Anisble, collectd, StatsD, ElasticSearch, Grafana, Influx DB, Python, and Couchbase. ALL of these names rely on HEAVY USER INFORMATION

They lost all credibility there.

Ouch. Yeah that’s a dumb statement.

Still prefer that mullvad doesn’t ask for an email address at all. Proton knows my email address already for obv reasons. Separation of concerns is good for opsec.

I also think Mozilla switched from white labeling proton to mullvad. Wonder if there was a juicy reason for that or no.

I like my vpns without accounts

Still have to check https://lnvpn.net, looks awesome