somewhere between 6 months and a year before we have a bunch of clients implementing MLS based messaging and/or NIP-17.

I'd love to see clients completely drop support for NIP-04 messages sometime in that same period.

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let's not get carried away with ourselves

do you want everone to be forced to use simplex and telegram and signal forever?

This is the bullishness we need. 💪🏻

And then another 6 months for library developers to implement the new specs.

No. I was including that. All major clients implemented in less than a year. And I think that’s conservative.

IDK, maybe for the typescript babies, but it takes a while for part time devs to migrate to these new specs and provide proper backward compat