Germany and Japan and Vietnam are all way better off now. Iraq is arguably better off. Who else have we invaded? Korea? South Korea is a global chip power after being a fishing village.
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You are quite humorous and rather uneducated. Is Germany better now? Is Japan better now? What other countries has it invaded? Please mute yourself because you cannot be born any more foolish than you already are.
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• Guatemala/Nicaragua with Noriega
• Haiti with whatsisname
• Somalia with warlords
• Vietnam…
To name a recent few. Sounds like you have survivorship bias.
I'm trying to think of a place that the US has sent troops into that wasn't already a mess. The idea that Vietnam or Somalia or Haiti or Iraq are worse because the US went in is laughable. They were already humanitarian disasters and were subsequently given huge opportunties to improve along the lines of Germany or Japan after WW2. But because of their own internal corruption, these countries squandered them.
I'm not for the foreign involvement, but the idea that these places were blissfully going along in freedom and harmony until the US showed up is ridiculous.
How you think Iraq is better off now is beyond me. Have you forgetten what happened in the last two decades? You're either willfully forgetting or only pinning everything on that No Saddam = good.
A million+ civilians died in Iraq. ISIS was created and killed further thousands of people in Syria, Iran became stronger, the whole region destabilized. And after all said and done, the country and the people are literally far behind where it was. There haven't been any stable government since, only ongoing sectarian wars and tribalism.
The only winner from Iraq war was Israel, maybe that's why the media still call it a good result.
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The ME region has been destabilized since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which was mostly due to internal conditions. Blame it on the French and English if you want, but the US didn't cause the vast majority of the problems or the majority of the war-related deaths in the Middle East. Tribal warfare and ancient arrogance did. Millions have died in the past century in the region, and it had nothing to do with the US. What you don't have now is widespread war in the region, which is an improvement in my view.
You're right on one account, that modern problems started with Sykes-Picot. I'm under no illusions that I blame the French and Brits for that. Particularly, for planting Israel here.
The region had at least one major war every decade since 1948. Go ahead and verify that. Eventually, the British and French influence waned, and American influence waxed.
America's fingers are in every major war in the region since 1967. That's 6 decades ago.
Having said that, the region was mostly peaceful since the crusades and Mongol invasion just under a millennium ago. Yes there were empires fighting (namely Ottomans VS. Memlukes and Ottomans VS. Safavids), but it's nowhere near what we had since the cursed agreement.
Moreover, every country in the Middle East has been in at least one war since 1967 (perhaps except Oman and Qatar, even if they participated in the first Gulf War in 1991). Now, I'm sure not all these wars are American made, but surely American influenced. Again, go ahead and verify that.
In any case, you changed the goal posts. I was specifically talking about Iraq since 2003, and that particular war (and it's results) is squarely American made. There is no way you pin it on the Brits and the French. While I'm no Saddam supporter by any mean, Iraq and the region are far worse since. There are no two ways about it.
So, no, the region has not improved. And for most of the people here it's a trifecta of Western interference (including, but not limited to, Israel and the US), despots, and reactionary movements like ISIS. Those three have devastated the region. And be under no illusion, most people don't see light at the end of the tunnel.
Very funny and arrogant, did you forget US bases and the active CIA meddling and installing and removing of governments? And before that a similar model from the British Empire? How can people get stable if they can't even choose their governments without you coming in and toppling their government using an army patsy or something e. g. Egypt, Pakistan as recent examples.
This is some absolutely retarded shit.
Everyone of those places is worse off because of USA imperialism
Germany and Japan failing to keep their heads above water LMFAO
They are now, but that is entirely unrelated to the US. They've allowed their cultures to die. They were given ever resource to rebuild after the war and became very rich. They squandered it for reasons others can better explain.
How is Iraq better off?
You think living under ISIS would be better?
Germany is better off? -- after being bombed into submission by the Communist/Wall Street alliance that misrules us now, losing millions of citizens to starvation and maltreatment after the war was over, suffering the largest mass rape in human history, being forced to accept the bankers' dishonest money system, and being forced to open its borders to the Third World, something from which it may never recover? That's like arguing that Epstein's victims were "better off" in his mansions' sex-slave rooms than in the modest homes where they grew up.
There’s no more Germany. No German identity, pride, culture, architecture, cities…and now, no more German cars. Just confused zombies.