Why are right-wingers happy with what Trump has done? Do they care about Venezuelans? Statistically, every country that the US has invaded and interfered with a year later was much worse off. Will this time be any different?
Now is the time for Venezuelans to put their differences aside and unite to fight for their freedom. Otherwise, in a year's time, they will be much worse off than they are now.
For what I remember, the other countries had shit governments that were succeeded by dictatorships.
Venezuela's was a good country before the communists took over.
Maybe this could make a difference when the right wings take over. Maybe.
Germany and Japan and Vietnam are all way better off now. Iraq is arguably better off. Who else have we invaded? Korea? South Korea is a global chip power after being a fishing village.
You are quite humorous and rather uneducated. Is Germany better now? Is Japan better now? What other countries has it invaded? Please mute yourself because you cannot be born any more foolish than you already are.
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• Guatemala/Nicaragua with Noriega
• Haiti with whatsisname
• Somalia with warlords
• Vietnam…
To name a recent few. Sounds like you have survivorship bias.
I'm trying to think of a place that the US has sent troops into that wasn't already a mess. The idea that Vietnam or Somalia or Haiti or Iraq are worse because the US went in is laughable. They were already humanitarian disasters and were subsequently given huge opportunties to improve along the lines of Germany or Japan after WW2. But because of their own internal corruption, these countries squandered them.
I'm not for the foreign involvement, but the idea that these places were blissfully going along in freedom and harmony until the US showed up is ridiculous.
How you think Iraq is better off now is beyond me. Have you forgetten what happened in the last two decades? You're either willfully forgetting or only pinning everything on that No Saddam = good.
A million+ civilians died in Iraq. ISIS was created and killed further thousands of people in Syria, Iran became stronger, the whole region destabilized. And after all said and done, the country and the people are literally far behind where it was. There haven't been any stable government since, only ongoing sectarian wars and tribalism.
The only winner from Iraq war was Israel, maybe that's why the media still call it a good result.
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The ME region has been destabilized since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which was mostly due to internal conditions. Blame it on the French and English if you want, but the US didn't cause the vast majority of the problems or the majority of the war-related deaths in the Middle East. Tribal warfare and ancient arrogance did. Millions have died in the past century in the region, and it had nothing to do with the US. What you don't have now is widespread war in the region, which is an improvement in my view.
You're right on one account, that modern problems started with Sykes-Picot. I'm under no illusions that I blame the French and Brits for that. Particularly, for planting Israel here.
The region had at least one major war every decade since 1948. Go ahead and verify that. Eventually, the British and French influence waned, and American influence waxed.
America's fingers are in every major war in the region since 1967. That's 6 decades ago.
Having said that, the region was mostly peaceful since the crusades and Mongol invasion just under a millennium ago. Yes there were empires fighting (namely Ottomans VS. Memlukes and Ottomans VS. Safavids), but it's nowhere near what we had since the cursed agreement.
Moreover, every country in the Middle East has been in at least one war since 1967 (perhaps except Oman and Qatar, even if they participated in the first Gulf War in 1991). Now, I'm sure not all these wars are American made, but surely American influenced. Again, go ahead and verify that.
In any case, you changed the goal posts. I was specifically talking about Iraq since 2003, and that particular war (and it's results) is squarely American made. There is no way you pin it on the Brits and the French. While I'm no Saddam supporter by any mean, Iraq and the region are far worse since. There are no two ways about it.
So, no, the region has not improved. And for most of the people here it's a trifecta of Western interference (including, but not limited to, Israel and the US), despots, and reactionary movements like ISIS. Those three have devastated the region. And be under no illusion, most people don't see light at the end of the tunnel.
Very funny and arrogant, did you forget US bases and the active CIA meddling and installing and removing of governments? And before that a similar model from the British Empire? How can people get stable if they can't even choose their governments without you coming in and toppling their government using an army patsy or something e. g. Egypt, Pakistan as recent examples.
This is some absolutely retarded shit.
Everyone of those places is worse off because of USA imperialism
Germany and Japan failing to keep their heads above water LMFAO
They are now, but that is entirely unrelated to the US. They've allowed their cultures to die. They were given ever resource to rebuild after the war and became very rich. They squandered it for reasons others can better explain.
How is Iraq better off?
You think living under ISIS would be better?
Germany is better off? -- after being bombed into submission by the Communist/Wall Street alliance that misrules us now, losing millions of citizens to starvation and maltreatment after the war was over, suffering the largest mass rape in human history, being forced to accept the bankers' dishonest money system, and being forced to open its borders to the Third World, something from which it may never recover? That's like arguing that Epstein's victims were "better off" in his mansions' sex-slave rooms than in the modest homes where they grew up.
There’s no more Germany. No German identity, pride, culture, architecture, cities…and now, no more German cars. Just confused zombies.
We are happy for many reasons. 1 Venezuelans will go back home. 2 China will not expand its control over the world. 3 The worst situation you see after freedom in many cases is just the real situation when you take away censorship.
I am quite happy to see Venezuelans party for their freedom. Now it is their turn to remove the communist cancer from their society as El Salvador did. No deal. Remove them. All of them.
China is already in your home.
lol ah there we go. Image screaming china!! but then supports an external coup by a state that has invited a genocidal war criminal 5 times in a year and had actively armed and enabled it.
I've been thinking about this. It seems hard for Americans to imagine that a democratic republic isn't the best government form of government for everyone on the planet. I think the truth is many people prefer physical safety and security over freedom and representation.
Not even that. They just see the shitshow that is the US.
Not to mention the fact that the best candidates that the planet's flagship democracy could produce were Kamala and Trump.
How have you come to this view when the U.S interventions in Panama and Granada ended dictatorships and helped bring back democratic rule to those nations?
Do you believe that every situation is a re-run of Iraq even when they're completely different?
Iraq alone? Haha, another statist Yankee.
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This guy is trying to justify pedophilia because "what about the dictators who don't rape children? They need tonbe replaced with dictators that do rape children"
Not surprised though people who support Trump only do so because he is a pedophile
i wouldn't call it invasion. yet (tm)
'Do they care about Venezuelans?'. Do you? Are you paying attention to the reaction of Venezuelans?
And what is your conclusion?
I live in south America and even before this event, the diaspora (which is enormous on this continent, guess why) were massively in favor of his removal by force.
And honestly, do you trust that the US will do the right thing this time? My position is that Venezuelans now have an opportunity that they didn't have before, and that Trump is not going to guarantee that they will be better off in a year's time. In fact, with the data at hand, they will be worse off, so now is the time for Venezuelans to fight for their freedom and not give up.
Right, it's certainly fair to question everything from that perspective. Trump's is acting 95%+ from the perspective of US interests, which isn't going to (necessarily) align with Venezuelans' interests.
He's acting in the interests of some particular interests, which have some incidental overlap with US interests.
This has a lot more to do with Russia and China than it does about Venezuela.
Notice how all the Venezuelans celebrating are in Miami and all the Zionist pedophiles are using them as an excuse.
Those fake Venezuelans showed up to celebrate 40 minutes before the actual invasion started.
Because their religion is called democracy, so according to their dogma its exportation is always good.
The best case scenario is total mayhem in Venezuela because the actual target of this is China and if this blatent overthrow turns into a successful regime change then it emboldens the same type of actors all over the global South, which means China is forced to start paying hardball.
People don't realize how close we are to an all out nuclear exchange depending on what happens this week.
