Imagine the fees will not go down in the next 2-3 years. Would you still wait for it? Or start using layer 2 solutions?

Plus you gain privacy and transaction speed by operating at layer 2. I really hope Blockstream solves the peg-out problem and enables Lightning over Liquid.

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How do you propose for nodes to open LN channels? I am not aware of any L2 approach that would allow me to do that. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

I run Phoenix wallet on my phone connected to my own electrum server over Tor. Phoenix still charges 1% (min. 3000 sats) for opening a channel. For me thatโ€™s still affordable ๐Ÿคท๐Ÿปโ€โ™‚๏ธ

I use Boltz to swap into Liquid when needed and then sideswap.io if I need to go to mainchain.

That will not work for a node that actually routes your LN payments to other places, etc. ๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

True. The reason Iโ€™m doing all this harry potter magic is to avoid very high fees when guiding my dips from robosats to cold storage ๐ŸงŠ๐Ÿ˜‰ For routing nodes, this is surely more complicated.

With Phoenix you are at the mercy of ACINQ to not rek your channels

Yes, but never happened to me so far. Some of my channels are 1 year old.

I know itโ€™s not optimal and youโ€™re generally right. All Iโ€˜m saying is you can operate under the high fee pressure without big losses.

What r u going to do with a 3000 sats channel?

Itโ€™s the minimum fee that Phoenix is charging for opening a channel if you open a 10k sats channels. If you open a >10k channel, the fee is 1%.

That is a complete ripoff if you ask me. Even with current high fees Iโ€™ll pay less to open a channel from my node๐Ÿถ๐Ÿพ๐Ÿซก

Then the situation is not that dramatic yet ;)