You have to remember that the historical pics and videos people show on the Internet (look, everyone looked like a movie star!) is often showing views of people in the upper class. I was in the working class, so I was seeing normal people.
People were thinner, but that often actually made their faces and figures less appealing. A minimum of fat hides asymmetry, reduces facial aging, and makes womens' figures curvier. Women had no boobs.
They were the people that grew up after or even during the war, you know, and sometimes the Great Depression before that.
And children were sick more often. Not with allergies, but like... with polio and other scary shit.
And they drank so much, it was sort of crazy. Alcoholism was normalized.
I'm a fan of low childhood morbidity and a steady diet, to be sure.
This is why BMI is a bad index, I've heard. It was made when everyone was skinner due to poorer diets.
People were generally smaller and weaker. Regularly starved, during childhood. My dad grew up on Wonderbread, Jiffy corn bread, and collard greens. Occasionally, peanut butter or black-eyed peas. Hardly any meat. He joined the Army at 17 because they fed you three full meals, every day, and you got to have your own bed.
And women didn't breastfeed their kids and fed them store-bought babyfood, back then, so our generation and the one before had mishapen jawlines and terrible skin. A lot of women had hairy faces because the bad diet threw their hormones off. And people still married their cousins.
It's actually amazing, when I look around at my generations' children, how they're usually better-looking than their parents. Breastfeeding, babywearing, feeding toddlers real food, well-baby checkups and midwives, no alcohol during pregnancy, etc. Huge difference.
My Mom wore sandals made of old tires and hand-me-downs that barely fit. Her feet grew once, in winter, so her dad cut off the front of the toe section.
The old photographs trick people because the resolution was so low. Made everyone look like a movie star. 😂
There's hardly anyone that poor or neglected, anymore.
To quote my father when one of us kids would turn up our nose at gristle or fat on a steak, “your ancestors would have killed each other for that.”
Yup.
My uncle used to talk about how they would have dumplings one day and the dumpling cooking water as a soup the next day. Two meals. 🤌🏼
His son is easily 185 cm tall. He barely broke 175.
BMI is horrible indicator of one’s fitness level.
My daughter (the one in the green dirndl) has an "overweight" BMI, but she wears a size small. I'm considered "extremely obese". Could never get below "obese", even when I was long-distance running in the mountains and wore a size 8.
I now go by waist-to-height ratio and jean size. Have a pair of old jeans I want to squeeze into. I don't weigh myself, anymore, as it drove me nuts.
And no arse! 😂 Geeze. 7 foot tall, 6 inches wide, legs like twigs, tranny makeup, bizarre aggressive hairdos, shoulder pads, and flat as a board.
80s perfect female was a dude.
How is that different than today's trannies? (Well, aside from the fat part...)
The difference is that everyone fashionable used to be a tranny, but now it's a niche thing and they do more surgeries and pills.
I think younger people would be totally weirded out, by how similar everyone was, within one area. People move around, now. It used to be that you married someone from your neighborhood and they were more-or-less related.
That just sounds bizarre, now. 😂
Not everything has changed for the worse, is all.
People didn't call it "queer" or "trans" back then. They'd just talk about how they wouldn't let themselves be caged in by sexual dichotomy.
Remember the shoulder pads? 😅
Even our communion dresses had shoulder pads!
I think, what's mostly changed is that it's become an ingrained part of the culture and people have vocabulary for self-identifying, now.
so are you saying that there's nothing too particularly worrisome about today versus 80s/90s, 20s etc ? like we've all been down this road before?
except maybe the pharmaceutical industry is stepping into the space whereas it was just clothing industry before?
They took the fad to the absolute extreme, with increasingly irreversable changes, and it's become another branch of transhumanism.
The whole idea that humans can rise above biology. Changing (or exagerrating) the sex is just the warm-up. We'll see people with tails, people who have their limbs replaced with robotic superlimbs, cochlear implants in healthy people, manipulation in vitro, etc.
A man taking hormones and getting breast implants will soon seem quaint, to us.
Does the idea even shock anyone, anymore?
When I was growing up, breast implants in women was shocking. Humans acclimate to environmental changes really fast.
I guess there's no way to make money off of "be who you naturally are".
it bothers me that some younger people might think that these are answers. I bet some kids are completely comfortable in their skin, and others are not. or if "rebelling" nowadays is taking some hormones instead of just earrings and tattoos.
however smoking/drinking is marketed to kids too, and that is also very body altering.
the state of California cracked down on flavored vaping products marketed to kids. these kinda laws will also be needed for pharma/medical companies for hormonal and surgical augmentation.
we just need to get the public aware of this modern version of snake oil/skin whitening/etc salesmen.
yeah there is, plenty of people make money out of writing books about self actualization, health info, diets, breathing techniques, meditation... these all accentuate and focus on the self
i don't think the biological substrate will survive such perversion
almost all mods destroy or probably destroy fertility so every idiot who falls for it or gets pushed into it is end of line
just add some widespread global natural disaster cluster and i'm pretty sure it will put an end to this idiocy
I don't know if anyone is concerned with destroying fertility, anymore. That's become extremely commonplace in the wider population. Not something specific to trans.
Fertility is increasingly seen as something without value, unfortunately.
that has been one of the objectives of all this demoralization and propaganda, to train people to reject their body's nature, as with fertility also with worship
I think it also started with the Anti-Baby pill.
i think you can point to the popularization of abortion leading up to that and the links back to the eugenics movement, but yes... it is a deliberate silent genocide, and the lemmings joyfully walk into the mas graves apparently of their own volition
As far as I know, abortion liberation came after the Pill, as it was the Plan B for failed contraception.
Maybe not where you lived. Are you queer or trans?
Remember not everything YOU personally experienced is applicable worldwide.
That explains the hair bands 🤣
DAFUQ you talking about. Women had breasts.
Cosmetic surgery upped the breast size worldwide. As it became more affordable the average breast size increased.
I’m ignoring your personal beliefs on what you find appealing as that’s subjective.
They had breasts, but they were often comparitively small. Women have been getting steadily taller, stronger, and bustier, since the 1970s.
They faked it, with corsets, as cinching the waist tighter makes the breasts more prominent. In the 1920s, they actually bound their breasts and starved themselves down, as flapper style was inherently androgynous (androgyny was all the rage, see Weimer). A lot of Nazi propaganda pointed this out, and androgyny went out of fashion for a few decades, with women like Marilyn Munro and Sophia Loren rising to prominence, but it came roaring back in the late 1960s, as women become feminists and careerists.
For a long time, the ideal bust was an A or a B Cup and many women actually bought those sizes, even though they didn't fit. It is only recently, that bra manufacturers actually produce other sizes, but even bust circumference measurents indicate busts getting steadily larger.
Turn around after 2000, with more shapely females coming back into style, as other "curvier" ethnicities become more "visible" in the media, like Hispanics, African Americans, and Slavs.
Modern supermodels, like Miranda Kerr, tend to have curvy chests. That is thanks, in part, to Victoria Secret wanting to sell bras. Flat-chested women don't need bras.
Breast augmentation is actually declining. Breast reduction surgery is increasing.
And womens' breast fat tissue is increasing in volume, regardless of the plastic surgery trends. Men increasingly seem to like full breasts and behinds and actively select for it.
Flapper versus Angel
