Settle an argument for me. BO is always disgusting and should be avoided? Or BO is desirable when you are attracted to the person?

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option 1 avoid!

It is a MASSIVE turn on with the right person and EWW with the wrong one-

I used to be grossed out by it because I was with the wrong partner.

My current lover is a delicious match because he passes the sniff test- especially after hours of making love.

I strongly agree with you. I love the natural smell of my husband particularly after he works out or works in the yard, whereas I insisted my ex always wear deodorant. Every single one of my girlfriends finds body odor disgusting.

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The reason a person has body odor is toxins more odor, more toxins I don’t know?

Not entirely true. Food definitely changes the scent of someone’s body odor. Particularly things like garlic and curry.

Diet? Activity?

Wdym? How those things affect someone’s scent?

BO is desirable when you are attracted to the person (within reason) it's the bio compatability of pheromones šŸ’œ

I strongly agree with you, but interestingly all 5 of my girlfriends at dinner last night thought the viewpoint was horrific.

This šŸŽÆšŸ’Æ

Define BO. The bacterial stuff isn’t the same as the hormonal stuff.

I’m defining it as simply body odor or someone’s natural scent. Let’s say how you smell after working all day.

Can be very desirable when you’re attracted to someone. Just ask Joe Biden. (Photo of Biden sniffing women’s hair - how do I add pics on here?)

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I think a natural scent can be a turn on or a turn off - possibly a signal of compatibility. A biologically complex topic though, that can be linked to emotions, pheromones, diet, genetics, psychology, etc. All I know is that no one smells great if they don’t bathe/change clothes and allow the bacteria to get to work.

Yeah, poor hygiene is a different beast.

I have had conversations with male friends about feminine odor and there is most definitely a difference between natural odor, poor hygiene odor and a medical problem in terms of vaginal odor. Males responses to this were hilarious.

Ah to be a fly on the wall during these conversations 😁

it’s different not only from culture to culture but from person to person as well!

culture i grew up is europe-centric and values personal hygiene and cleanliness. so yeah, for me most of humans (then they smell) smell bad.

tbh, it was the only one person who i wasn’t disgusted of – but i was attracted to them, can’t say if it’s a cause or effect tho šŸ¤”

Interesting because I find Europeans in general to have much more offensive body odor than Americans. Certainly more ubiquitous when I am in Europe.

I like your second thought. I don’t know if it’s cause or effect. I’m inclined to believe cause.

I think BO is never used positively

It has taken on a derogatory connotation, but I was discussing it with friends as someone’s natural smell. I was surprised that they unanimously find their husbands’ sweaty smell revolting.

I wonder what their husbands diets look like

All very different if their body types are indicative. Everything from super fit—> to dad bod—> to obese.

I barely have to use deodorant after cleaning up my diet. Maybe that explains the looks I get though.

I’m not surprised. I have also heard using no deodorant or a natural deodorant reduces BO.

I make my own armpit hygenics, works great. It's coconut oil mixed with baking soda, I heat it to get to desired texture and I add peppermint oil for light scent. Besides that, I love my wife's sweat and I think if you don't smell right to each other you should separate, not my only criterium and maybe a bit animalistic but it's what I've learned to be real for me.

Too many people deny their biology these days. I like this take.

I stopped using deodorant a year ago after changing to mostly red meat, eggs, dairy, fruit diet. I don’t smell at all even after a long gym session. My wife agrees.

Don't confuse BO with pheromons

I’m just talking about the way someone smells/their natural scent. I remember that I found it very off putting with my ex and often asked him to put on deodorant if I smelled him.

Yes I see, but the question I raise is;

Do we tell people with bad breath, or do we leave them unknowing

Having dealt with this in patients often, I can tell you that you should always tell them. The most mortified patients are the ones who wonder how long people have been offended by their bad breath without telling them, and the worst cases are almost always due to advanced gum disease.

I’d say it depends.

BO from working out with your significant other=good

BO from someone not showing in a week=bad

But my wife says I can’t smell so who and I to answer this?šŸ¤™šŸ»

Yeah, no amount of attraction would make up for disgusting hygiene for me.

Always disgusting

Are you a male or female?

male

And you always prefer the scent of soaps or perfumes over their natural scent with women you date?

Nope

BO and natural smell are different.

Natural smell is great.

BO is the smell of sweat.

I disagree with this distinction particularly because fresh male sweat produces more pheromones .

I'm anon, nice try lol

Avoided, but if you need to cover it up with strong cologne or perfume, I’ll take the BO.

You are right. Nothing worse than bad BO covered by strong cologne.

Dragon oil is a proven alternative.

Don’t tempt me with a good time.

Fresh out of time.

avoided in public, but if you like someone's bo thats personal preference

Yes. Disgusting. Best to just make the ā€œI bit a lemon faceā€ and slowly moonwalk away from those people.

Now I will say that you’ve probably never been in a men’s hockey locker room. That is a different story. It smells so bad that it actually smells good. šŸ¤·šŸ»ā€ā™‚ļø

Lmao, funny about the locker room.

I love the way my husband smells after a workout or a strenuous day at work though. He must just be my flavor.

My wife gets this too, but it's a bit dependant on the situation:

Sweaty from hard lifting = ā™„ļø

Sweaty from tons of caffeine/stress = šŸ‘Ž

Sweaty from yoga = ā™„ļø

Sweaty from sauna = šŸ‘Ž

Sweaty from laying in sunshine = ā™„ļø

Sweaty after jiu jitsu = šŸ‘Ž

(though often times that is the sweat of other men šŸ˜…)

Interesting!

My wife smells really bad after workout. But my kids don't fall apart so I guess I narrowly avoided disaster there.

there is a difference between actual body odor and the bad smells bacteria produces. the difference is enormous and deodorant makes it way worse somehow. not using a deodorant for like 2-3 years now. total game changer.

to be fair the other big game changer is living a stress free life. so i guess somehow a combination of personal hygiene ditching deo and no stress.

I have heard this several times about not using deodorant. I find it amazing that the body corrects itself when you aren’t trying to mask a problem.

what we call our body, is an ecosystem. gut flora is probably more important but what lives in your armpits also seem to be.

Have you used salt crystals as deodorant? I see those are becoming more popular

not yet.

Do farts count as body odor?

Body Odour can be sexy.

Not always. Sometimes the pheromones make you attracted to someone else.

Always be avoided. However, my ex said she could never smell it on me even after the sweatiest workout. Could definitely smell it on her though.

Desirable - it’s our pheromones communicating. Birth control messes with this process tho that might explain why they don’t like their husbands snells, maybe they met while on bc?

Hmm that would be interesting to know. I’ll ask!

So what about those colognes and perfumes that are designed to smell like light BO mixed with pleasant fragrances. (Creed Aventus comes to mind)

I'll take someone's natural scent over perfume 100% of the time.

Scent is a spectrum. The first stage of someone's bouquet can be utterly intoxicating. Stage 26 can be horrific.