Do they also only have one company managing all the source code or have they actually decentralized from themselves?
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If you think that companies making open source software is a non-starter, I hope you aren't using any corporate open-source software! Is it even possible?
Our team does hail from more than 16 countries!
That's not what I said... I just don't trust your company on building anything. Something is only decentralized when multiple teams reimplement the full stack from scratch. Until that happens, you are not a protocol, you are just a platform. And platforms suck.
Well, you are biased too, right? God forbid people start building with Pubky!
People can do whatever they want. I couldn't give two craps about it. In fact, I want people to rebuild your entire stack so that I could possible use it in the future. Until that happens, I don't really have any incentive to even consider it. This is just year another platform trying to sell themselves as decentralized. I am 42. I have seen this shit since the 90s.
I am 46 so I win.
No, it just says that you should know better.
Or maybe you don't want to let other people rebuild your stuff because you do make it as hard as possible.
I'm happy to help rebuild if anyone wants to.
It's kindda unfair, because I helped build it once already, so of course the whole protocol already exists in my head. In retrospect, there is 2 implementations of it already, one pure JS and another rust/wasm.
Anyway, I think it's easy enough I could rebuild it without looking into any docs. Prob I could have an MVP of the stack, from Pkarr to a CLI social media client written in python in ~2 or less weeks. Just a guess, of course.
No te conozco, pero siento que estás siendo más destructivo/negativo de lo necesario. Dicho eso, tampoco sé cual es tu pasado con John, así que puede que la negatividad sea totalmente merecida 😂
Igualmente, yo apreciaría si en lugar de ser critica destructiva pura hubiese algo que agarrar para ir mejorando. A mi personalmente me encantaría montar un directorio `/pub/nostr` en los homeservers y forkear un cliente Nostr para demostrar como de potente sería si además de lanzar las notas a los relays, las pones en una URI `pubky://`. Tengo el tiempo limitadísimo y quizá no pueda ponerme con esto en varios meses.
Oh btw
I want full rebuilds. Absolutely NO dependencies. This BS replies designed to look like more than what they are is exactly why I don't trust anything you touch.
Honestly, it is was clear to me a long time ago you would never tolerate our work, so I am just fucking with you because that is all you really want to do here, fuck around and act like I am some kind retarded monster while pretending you arent just trying to undermine and discredit competition. Your goalposts will never stop moving until you think i cant reach them. Sorry, but I can do ANYTHING I put effort into and your bitch behavior wont affect it one bit.
You are probably right, but I am not the one moving goal posts. I have had the exact same question for you for years now. You never answer it. All you do is some point to some bulshit website that doesn't actually address the question. It's all smoke and mirrors with you.
your first time interacting with nostr:npub13ndpm2hm9hud4azsq5euhf5mv3d05r90wymwxsd7rdn29609hhvqp60svh ? lmao. not sure why any dev would want to work with a tech stack he is involved in. he is a complete asshole.
So far, I haven't seen him do anything as fucked up as you muting me after I always respected you and once zapped you 48k sats
It might be because you are a person with a fragile and invested ego who doesn’t contribute any real value to intelligent conversations. Smart people try to avoid such people. Grow up, do some reflection and try to do better
Unironically: no u
Why do you think people mute you?
Sincerely, have you asked yourself that?
Back when it was difficult to understand, yeah
Because they're in a suicidal death cult
Please explain
People don't like being reminded that they can't prove this isn't real life. They're dedicated to pretending this is a video game about killing yourself with as much collateral damage as possible, with a score system based on how fast all known life is wiped out. I'm one of the few people left with a more functioning brain, so I get muted
I really don’t understand what you are trying to say
You're blocking it out.
You've been given all the info before. I assume you're vaguely aware of how Venus used to be more like Earth, right? And I'm sure you've heard of climate change and nuclear bombs. And I'm sure you've seen people denying climate change, and heard people say stuff like "I'm not scared of dying" but you didn't actually believe they'd be calm and chill if you responded by shooting them in the head.
You're even in the COVID era, where you've seen people join in a widespread delusion of pretending surgical masks aren't designed to prevent the spread of diseases from the respiratory tract.
You can also just read my posts and the discussions I have, instead of making shit up to make yourself feel better about your delusions. I talk about this stuff a lot.
You're pretending to be a misguided intelligent person like Digit, who might learn from being taught, but your track record shows you don't pay attention while reading, so you're actually just an idiot wasting your time and energy trying to defend positions you're neither capable of defending nor abandoning.
What? What all of this has to do with anything? What are you trying to say? Who are the people you are talking about?
Your cognition seems to be shutting down to shield your delusions by pretending you can't even remember the context here.
We were discussing why people in general often mute me.
People mute you because you say very smart things that undermine their beliefs and make them feel uncomfortable?
No, very sane things
If I were smarter I could probably be more persuasive, that's why I always wonder what Digit could do with better mental health
lol
Why lol when you could be asking for an invite code?
Invite code 🤮
Do you even know what it is for?
It is such a stupid thing to try and have a cool opinion about -- meanwhile, your apps put private keys into clients and are broken af.
Finally a valid criticism for Nostr.
I've brought this up before, a lot of shit that requires an nsec should work with your npub.
Like all these random vibe coded games want my nsec just so I can put my name on the leaderboard? Seriously.
It's not like they need my nsec.
That's a serious issue that needs resolving.
I put forward earlier the idea of some kind of trustworthiness rating system.
I know there's browser extensions and things that are meant to something to protect you nsec but I couldn't get any of that shit to work.
And I'm by no means a technical user but holy shit most people aren't.
And most people couldn't be fucked trying to make any of that shit work.
So I'm meant to make a bunch of throw away accounts and what doesn't that make the whole of being able to tske your digital identity with you nonsense.
Imagine if playing games over Facebook required you to share your password for your email.
That's pretty much what's happening with all these games.
You misspelled “begging”
Fwiw this is a big reason i never worked on nostr, every interaction was just a goalpost-moving attack of some kind. Fiatjaf is the only prominent nostr dev i can even have a conversation with because the rest of you are preoccupied with weird character attacks, excuses, gaslighting, and goalpost-moving.
Until a guy signals fealty to the nostr culture, your behavior is fukn trash.
You cant actually refute pkarr, or most of the work we do, because i cant and thats why i fucking chose it. And why you talk about bitchy high-school bullshit instead of fix the naive shortcomings of nostr tech.
As for how likable i am or what it is like to work with me, you wouldnt know, and never will. But you are welcome to ask anyone on my team anything you want!
"Smoke and mirrors?"
All my conversations with both of you always end unresolved with my questions or statements being ignored while you leave final statements that don't seem to make sense
Someone tell John to send me an invite for his pubkey thingo.
I don't understand why he muted me all I did was ask him questions about pubkey and explained that I like nostr because it's censorship resistant
If you’re 42 then your probably were 16 or 17 years old in 2000. You probably weren’t in tune with platforms trying to sell themselves as decentralized.
Nostr is a platform too. Why are you always joining in gaslighting people about what words mean?
I asked the same question. the answer is not encouraging
its worse than "a platform, not a protocol", its a centralized platform that larps with self-hosting and decentralization language while allowing for neither.
the classic "we're only centralized during beta..." doesn't fool me anymore (I'm also 40, Vitor).
It's a bit discouraging to try to be helpful, then turn around to find someone use your words against you. I guess I am not use to social media and hate battles like this. I had left you a follow up reply with my view on why your concerns are overstated.
Anyway, I'm happy to hear, help, exchange ideas or re-draft as needed if there are no negative attitudes.
My most charitable feedback - and I will be very happy if this turns out to be the case and I look like an asshole - is that you launched a public beta too early before all the "we mean what we say" items are in place.
I've been in - and leading - businesses like this before and I know how difficult the timing can be, but I've learned from my own mistakes and I think this is important: It's better to launch later than too early, leaving holes for disgruntled pains-in-the-asses like me to exploit. I'm pretty sure I'll regret my behavior later, so apologies in advance... But at the moment I'm pretty jaded and it has resulted in me drawing red lines around these sorts of things that need to be provided on day one, not as "promises for the future":
- Self-hosting as a first-class citizen. Maybe even above the alternative. More "you should self-host, and here's how. but if you simply cannot or don't want to, here's our alternative option" and less "We make it easy for you to not self-host, but if you want to for some reason, here's a link to some docs that may have been hard to find or not yet real".
- Client agnosticism from day one. If there exists only one client, and it comes with defaults that enshrine platform-sponsored indexers, "global" user lists, and other "easy onboarding" features, I'm going to be suspicious that the early choke-hold will ever loosen. I'm not saying this is malicious/intentional, just that network dynamics are what they are and this is how it works. The alternatives are painful and weird, but I believe they're necessary for ecosystem hygiene: attract early developers, incentivize them to build alternative clients; build the first "reference client" but cripple it a little so that it doesn't become dominant too quickly; provide SDKs that make it trivial for developers to build clients (and **foreground this** so that people see it before they see your client)... etc etc. These paths suck for user adoption - but that's kind of the point. User adoption is in conflict with the principles I'm describing.
- Decentralized from the outset. Use an existing social network (Nostr, etc.) to bootstrap users' experience - not your "platform"'s default network. how/why could there be something like "default global users" if a system is actually decentralized? I should start alone in a dark forest - which proves to me there is no central entity. From there let me discover peers in a manner commensurate with my interests and existing social graph: current social network peers who happen to use pubky, "follow suggestions" lists like following.space (ideally curated by not-you), etc. Again, this is bad for user adoption, but see above re: conflict.
That's a bit of a brain dump on what motivated my comments. You're right I could have been nicer and I'm sorry I wasn't. I've been on the receiving end of exactly this kind of feedback and it's frustrating when YOU know what your roadmap is and other people do not and misconstrue it. But because that's how this ecosystem works, its in **your best interest** to be so defensive that people simply cannot get the wrong idea.
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Of course these are all my deranged opinions and you nor any pubky users need to care. that's the beauty of building your own thing.