Why can't we use podcast 2.0 spec to take out video's as well?
We've already found a way to deliver content (in mostly audio form) to subscribers and get feedback. Just not video content? I would do a lot of things to get the content from youtube videos, and not have to fight to get content from youtube.
I hope this is already being done, I'm just too out of the loop to know it.
What do you mean by "take out?"
I hate to say "youtube alternative" but delivering video content to subscribers is cornered by youtube, and they are making it 1000x harder every day to get that content without complete KYC. If it were as easy as using a podcasting service to deliver your video contet as well.
Same benefits of podcast 2.0 just delivering video content.
Ah.
Nope.
It's a scale issue. Video is too big, requires too much space, too much compute, too much bandwidth, to be served in that style by a distributed, decentralized network without some VERY significant financial remunerative policy that makes sense in this time of collapsing fiat.
It IS possible, as has been showcased by @Zapstream and nostr:npub1z0lcg9p2v5nzg5fycxq0k56ze6snp42clmrafzqpn5w6u74v5x9q708ldk, but I am still skeptical of the ability to scale in a world so distorted by fiat that people can't or won't concede that they need to CONTRIBUTE something of value (in terms of money, preferably real money) in order to get something, instead of mindlessly consuming what is set before them. "Unlimited" internet on mobile is one of the worst things to happen to the internet, IMO, and will only keep getting worse.
I currently use PeerTube, I like a lot about it but also it’s clumsy in someways and Federation is still mystical to be despite running a server for about 2 years. A Nostr native version would be amazing (it’s currently on the ActivityPub protocol).
I just give up with most YT stuff now but sometimes it’s the only place with instructions for things I need and I play browser roulette until I can watch, which obviously sucks.
I use freetube on my linux computers and various NewPipe versions on my phone. I don't bother with youtube itself anymore.
FreeTube has become super crappy on Mac… I do run a Linux machine too but more often I’m on Mac. Such a shame, used to work great.
Are you on the latest update? (.29, I think?)
Unlikely but I’ll give it a shot, not used for a while because it wasn’t working.
Both of these options are fine, but I still need to
- connect my device to google/youtube servers so they can track what I'm watching.
- Free-tube doesn't work more than it works for me
- Google aggressively blocks vpn IP addresses and ones it assumes are not residential IPs
- Google throttles vidoes/day and retries causing them to fail to load frequently
- if your IP gets flagged your out for a few weeks until the unban you (usually about 2 weeks for me)
- You can't watch anything flagged as 18+ which apparently many of the comedy shows I used to watch are
- Tools like ytdl and pinchflat require youtube cookies (and a youtube account) when monitoring more than like 2 channels per day practically
This doesn't account for the upload side either. As someone whos makes their own podcast 2.0 service and host it myself, would be cool to share video content as well and with as much ease as I do audio content.
Finally, like podcast 2.0 there are many apps for listening/subscribing, or I can build my own, whatever. Non of this with youtube.
Just because someone has taken the time for now to build apps to work around youtube, they still break frequently, and youtube _could_ shut them down anytime they realistically want to. I don't want to be forced to bend over for, or dance around with google to watch content from creators I want to support.
Finally, if you haven't noticed invidious is basically completely dead. In like a weekend youtube killed 99% of public instances. I've only found one that still partially works, and does so by creating and storing google cookies in your browser which breaks if you disable 3rd party cookies like I do.
Did you code something yourself for hosting PC2.0 stuff?
Had to put some stuff on hold while I build out the framework it runs on. Hoping to have another release in the coming months. Total UI overhaul :)
Yup. YouTube is going to be dead to me in the not too distant future. I am making my peace with that. It will annoy everyone and even me, but I am starting to download videos or at least audio from videos so I have the files on my own hardware.
AS for hosting, I couldn't possibly do that with the horrific upload speeds I am subject to in the wilds of Maine (at least until I decide to spring for a starlink, which is cool, but they are still changing terms and there are still not enough competitors to make it cheap), and so I keep leaning towards some kind of VPS service to handle the heavy lifting. I just don't want to pay for that in perpetuity.
So . . . if you build a client that serves the videos to a client on a 1-1 basis, that is nearly impossible to scale, which brings us back to the monetary incentives to host files, which I have yet to see work. (See IPFS and other such protocols.)
The price to host video content (youtube) is currently socialized XD, With ad's that is, because google serves ads to more than just youtube users, and uses that revenue to run youtube at a loss.
Something else worth mentioning. I currently host my media files themselves on backblaze B2. Everything else is on my metal, just not the primary media files themselves.
We need widespread HLS support. YouTube encoded, stores & serves 20 different variations of a video so devices get the right resolution & format based on device & bandwidth. Almost all video on Nostr is just an uncompressed MP4 file in a single resolution, wasting bandwidth for users & media hosts, and making compatibility between devices more difficult.
Okay good! So it is the media itself (or the steps involved) that probably a large part of the issue. Confirmed my suspicions.
Some apps have basic hls support. But we need a blossom server that takes your video, encodes to multiple resolutions, then stores and serves them as appropriate. I'm sure it can be solved, but it's not easy. I know nostr.build is working on it, and nostr:nprofile1qqsyfhqu9kuu877hhm5j2lkwk5478nuvgza00d3lgmjkkk9px8r57zcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgmwaehxw309a6xsetxdaex2um59ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hszxnhwden5te0veex2etvv9ujuum0we3xjapwdphhxap04vlpvm is working on some cool stuff too.
Version 1 had to be scrapped. I'm currently working on Version 2. 😂
No need to build everything from scratch when there are good reference implementations out there.
Whatcha working on sir?
Blossom / torrent Hybrid storage and video thing.
The idea initially was to have small files be stored as blossom things and have to do all the normal blossom stuff. the larger files, mainly video, we'll get turned into torrents and transcoded for streaming.
Then it would announce the torrents via NIP 35 in the streams via NIP 71.
I was pulling my hair out doing it all from scratch, especially on the torrent side, but then I found out there's a reference torrent implementation that does HLS streaming, tracking, DHT node stuff all in one, so I'm kind of using that now and modifying it for nostr.
Oh that sounds pretty neat!
Good things are worth a wait.
