I've been seeing a lot of talk about privacy on here recently and I want to share my two sats.

Privacy is a very important and valuable tool. Societies which respect individuals will treat privacy as a human right and enforce your ability to decline revealing information through law.

However, privacy will never and can never be perfect, and it will never be as important to a society as it's underlying monetary system.

Privacy will always consist of trade-offs. I use this platform to communicate, and that has a trade off for privacy. The reality is, most people are comfortable revealing some information about themselves if it achieves a goal they see as being more valuable than the cost.

When it comes to base layer privacy as a monetary network, Bitcoin has somehow become underrated. There is no ID system, no names, no physical addresses. Just public keys and Bitcoin addresses, which often leave tons of plausible deniability and are impossible to be proven to be yours without you signing an address or giving someone your public key. Even a simple one input, two output transaction starts to muddy the water on true ownership.

The problem Bitcoin currently has in the US is the abundance of KYC laws and the frequent use of exchanges. In a circular Bitcoin economy, it would only take a couple interactions before the whole UTXO history becomes nearly impossible to track with any level of certainty around who owns what, aside from those who participated in the specific transaction.

Evolution happens in stages. Right now, 95% of people in America use a bank which gives them exactly zero privacy. Every single transaction is surveilled with 100% confidence that you are making it, and all your balances and assets are known. Even worse, the bank knows which businesses you transact with, how frequently, and at what specific times.

Base layer Bitcoin is already an impovement on this system (with a different set of tradeoffs) and tools like lightning and ECash have the potential to destroy this surveillance. The real problem with privacy is not a technical one - it is a social one. People need to actually demand it and expect to transact freely without having to self report every time you do so.

As I stated, the ability to decline revealing information to others should be a foundational human right. But currently, our problems with privacy come from our broad cultural disinterest in it and our willingness to give up all of our information through the use of threats and coercion. Alternative monetary networks with different privacy trade-offs are not a solution to that problem, and in the process they would undermine the much more important upgrade to the monetary system which is currently taking place.

Rant over and feedback is appreciated.

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Well said my man. Well said.

Monero is as much an upgrade to the monetary base system as BTC.

It has trade offs. But tail emission is not here because people in Monero like disinflation. It's here because there is a security trade off between a solely fee based system and one that is miner incentivised.

Monero is auditsble, just like BTC is auditable. Through a node.

We came to understand that most Bitcoiners are not as much into mathematics and cryptography as people in Monero and hence are slightly more motivated by economic theory than cypherpunk philosophy. But if one trusts the cryptographic primitives of Bitcoin one can also trust the primitives (well known and understood by many people) in Monero.

If you choose to be a maxi that is fine by me. You are a free man. But it's not wise.

Wise is acknowledgeding that everything has trade offs and trade offs are meant to be traded or hedged.

100/0 maxi

80/20

50/50

20/80

0/100 maxi

I am a freedom maxi which means I value both economic fundamentals and privacy. As Monero's economic approach is sound I am mainly in Monero (still hedging with BTC).

Those who are solely in Bitcoin but not hedging in Monero haven't done a proper risk assessment and likely will suffer just like those who are fiat maxis and never considered to hedge their USD position with BTC.

The world is complex. Treat it as such. Markets are here to master complexity in TRADE offs.

So many words, so little said

I think lightning for everyday payments gives us "enough" privacy. If you are buying something illegal it might be better to trade some BTC for XMR for that trade at this point in time. I don't think it will work out well for monero in the long run. As Bitcoin adopts more privacy tools it won't make sense to hold anything else.

Just because BTC has become mainstream and there are a bunch of influencoor moon boiz, doesn't mean that bitcoin can't have cypher punks. Kinda like how fiat money has bank accounts yielding interest, it also has cash that you can transact privately p2p.

Agreed. One thing I would add.

Most people don't surrender their privacy out of fear, but rather out of convenience and complacency.

That probably won't change until there's a reason not to or open source tech becomes more convenient than enterprise options.

XMR is a shitcoin 🧡