Replying to ringo

that was interesting and here is my main thought about it:

the thing is, as best as i currently understand, bitcoin only goes up for two reasons:

people buy more of it, or, there's an increased demand for it.

but my main problems with this, are as follows

- cbdc is emminent, and when that occurs it will change a lot. stay with me a sec.

- when people globally "hypothetically" want to use bitcoin, but cant get any, how does that help any of them? are we hypothesizing that the entire world, is just going to use whatever liuidity is in the lightning network. and adjust the price of everything, based on an ever changing metric of how many scraps are in the digital bucket?

-are we to assume that bitcoin will only be valuable because if the holders of it are the only ones who can get it, in a post cbdc economy, this somehow makes the people holding it more useful, or more valuable somehow?

-on the last point, i would argue that it doesn't make those people more useful, primarily because human nature is such that people are greedy, and only self serving, MOSTLY and by most i mean about 90% of the global population. so you have people who cannot afford to buy food, because they are having cbdc, and their money got turned off, expired, or they went outside of their 15 minute city, or they lost too many social credit points , or what have you. and they need bitcoin to buy food and pay rent? how is this fair or even possibly imaginable, in anyones wildest dreams? it simply wouldn't take. they'd be rioting in the streets, for bitcoin to increase the market cap, so they could have a chance at having some money. even with all the halving, which just eventually brings it mathematically close to error divide by zero, there still wouldn't be enough to satisfy global liquidity needs, based on how people currently live.

where i'm going with this, is while bitcoin is a nice idea, and has a lot of cool things about it, i dont think in my wildest dreams as its presently configured, that it would *ever* satisfy the requirements for a global currency.

not today, not tomorrow, not next year. simply put, never.

and i do realize most of the things i mentioned above are largely left -out- of all the popular hype and books and stuff, unless i've missed these details.

thoughts welcome.

I think you are hitting some nerves…

What popped up in my mind after reading your note is that for the people to start demanding Bitcoin instead of government surveillance tool and obedience baton, as this is the CBDC at the end, we need a guiding light of a country or economy that has adopted Bitcoin widely.

Like we, in the Eastern Bloc had the iron curtain during the cold war and whatever western thing was able to pass through, it was a token of great freedom and prosperity.

Whatever art passed the censorship, it was admired as godlike.

We need to be able to know the truth, though. Not the marketing and propaganda narratives. This might be actually a great use of NOSTR. Fighting the narrative with people’s stories.

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if it can lead to people wanting to sever all ties with their governments in terms of blind obedience and serfdom, then great. i'd be all for that. but the main problem is people will be likely too weak to eat, if they have to put up any fight? but back to your notion

- people do learn by example, so i like where you're going here.

- people are real tired of being hooodwinked by govts, ogliarchies, royal famiies, banking cartels, and so on. the evidence is everywhere.

- people are also blindly unable to change a whole lot about their outcomes for a variety of reasons, dependence on money is one of them, hivemind is another, then you've got stuff like lack of access to education, motivation, even that they know therein life could be better, and actually yearn for it, taking actionable steps towards that, inspiring others. (again hat tip to your point earlier, about an example country.)

at the same time, the banking cartel plays dirty, and it will be very interesting to see if a country can pull this off, country wide - renouncing their memebership in the UN, and whatever other unholy alphabet soups they belong to, nato, or whatever, remain uninvaded, unsubjugated, and so on.

interesting points. thank you.

also, - having people be able to learn from others stories, i absolutely agree this is very useful.

at least here in the united states, most of the people in the town i'm in are either vaccinated and therefore somewhat lobotomized, or they're generally just doing the best they can within the confines of what system is currently in place.

what remains to be seen is what happens when they either change the system, and nobody wants it, or if they just go all along with it, like everything else, like they've been psychologically conditioned to, ala gulag archipelligo, or pavlovian conditioning, or other such things. while i do think people can evolve as a whole, or a large swath of society, in any wholesomely cohesive way- other than widespread adoption of some socio-cultural marketing trope like, if you're under 20 you might be LGBTQ2S+^Pi(r^2), or some such, or any famous marketed propaganda of the last 100 years as an other example, it remains to be seen, in my lifetime, just yet.

here's praying things can change.

Yeah, what we can do is pray, do what we do everyday and raise some freedom loving non-conformist kids that can grow their own food:)

and get seeds that are real. which may be a problem in a few years.

We don’t have such issues yet in Eastern Europe but the situation might change.

We do grow good amount of food per household yet. Also grandparents often have small garden to keep them busy and they are willingly share products and know how but not so many young people are choosing such life.

Although, for example here, due to the lockdowns and the remote possibilities many young couples moved out to rural areas already.

So whenever the government grip is strong, the natural resistance appears.

God works in mysterious ways :)

note ID copied to text editor so i can reply tomorrow. :) brief version, cool. :) brain turned off an hour ago. :) Yes, our heavenly father certainly does. Amen.