tbh selling a protocol to the casual folk will never take off
selling a client and a use case will
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That’s the plan
i’ve just heard the “let’s onboard more ppl to nostr” sentence so many times..
i don’t know tcp/ip, but i’d love to buy and sell items on ebay, so that’s what’d interest me. then we’d need an indexer/search engine where people could find all the other wonderful clients from (nostrnet has done well with that so far)
Ya. Clients should just build their own brands.
Yep, and then in time, interoperability between clients will start to happen more and more.
Nostr uses TCP/IP. You mean Hyper Text Transfer Protocol. But yes, no one goes around selling a protocol. They sell their app that uses the protocol or the standard.
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you know none of the developers here actually understand or believe in what you just said
if you look at the way apple talks about technology. They always talk about how that tech will help users, how it impacts. They tell stories and show use cases.
then go to nostr.com and you will see a json file. 💀💀💀
this is crazy. the way nostr comunity talks about nostr is bad. Of course i have no trouble selling nostr to new people. Because i don't do these mistakes.
the whole nostr.com is a topic for another day… don’t get me started 💜
Good luck selling nostr to a normie.
you would be surprised how open people are for a better future.
sounds hopeful, i like it 💜
I don’t think so quite honestly. Human nature won’t allow it. Most of that gushy stuff is just that, unrealistic, most people just say because it sounds nice. Truth be told, mainstream social media is a perfect example of that people really want.
It’s cool though, it’s fun to pretend!🤙
Mosaic
Netscape
Internet Explorer
Firefox
Chrome
We don't market hyper text transfer protocol. Companies market their products and services.
That said, I think it would be very helpful to have more multi-platform clients. It’s kind of confusing to have some that only exist for Android or iOS.
this so much, Primal and Damus are both gonna win big on going multi-platform 💜
Alby as an app would do numbers also, for example
It is, but IE and Safari aren't multi-platdorm. Though we should strive to be better.
that’s due to monopolising and keeping the user in the ecosystem, taking advantage of the “skin in the game” thing.
I’ll give you that, but everyone knew that Netscape, Firefox, Internet Explorer, Safari, etc. were web browsers. They didn’t confuse the client with the protocol. So it’s not a perfect comparison.
I think the same would apply here. Use Damus/Snort/etc to access the Nostr
And with Nostr, people will know it's social communication. The world wide web is just the non technical term for http. Social communication is just non technical for nostr.
But yes, people did confuse a client with the protocol.
Most people just call the app “Internet”. They don’t know Chrome from Edge from Safari. They just use whatever’s built-in.
Source: me working in IT (and specifically the web) for 24 years.
They used to be.
Excited to see more and more of that, and the fact just it’ll get mentioned as, oh, by the way, it’s on Nostr 💜
Agreed. The killer app is what “sells.”
It must be said as well though that people have historically understood and used multiple email clients, web browsers, and search engines, knowing full well they’re utilizing something across the Internet beyond the centralized client.
oh definitely, really depends on the user though.
most of the regular folk appreciate what internet is and does, but they don’t know how it does what it does, nor do they care. but they care about functionality on it
i dunno, i think the portability of your social graph between clients is a pretty great selling point, but it all depends on your audience
selling nostr to tech people and early adopters? absolutely
to the casual folk? definitely not
"Imagine never having to make another login again, fill out your info, find your friends, etc"
That's the way I see it as normal user friendly.
another login again - nsecs, NIP-07 logins through phone and extensions on your phone are max pain to explain and to even use
in hopes that they get sorted out to a level you put it, it’d be an absolute dream and joy to demonstrate 💜🙏
"Logging in requires only the password you don't get to choose". I think that sums it up nicely 😆
imagine a password, which you are unable to remember and have to use an extension to login with
and if you lose it, it’s unrecoverable and you won’t have any customer support or password recovery either
it’s a tough sell
It would take as long to recover as to hack... a tough sell?
The toughest sell is some of the content they may get exposed to, honestly.
i think a lot of casual folk are tired of looking for their friends when they start using a new platform. even using import tools is a hassle. it's a major effort being an early adopter the way platforms exist today, but when your "user account" (read: npub) can plug in anywhere it's a pretty big deal.
but you're original point is a good one. im ready for more "other stuff" to start shlilling to the normies in my life
one of my biggest points that i was discussing at the unconference:
why is 90% of the developer powers going into developing twitter clones, when there’s so much more to build and apply the protocol for
yea, i want to see an app like amber ported to ios and desktop
don’t the following offer that?
nos2x
nostore
alby
It's probably the same reason everybody uses Windows and not Linux: familiarity and ease of transition. Sure, Linux has way more personality and distros, but that makes it less appealing of a transition than mimicking what is already known.
At the least, the clones can introduce them to the concepts at a slower pace so they can develop an interest in the more creative projects that people will work.
gnome 4 has been a total disaster, and they don't let you have a way back. nearest i have found is cinnamon.
Whats the disaster with gnome? I haven't used many distros. My primary two are Mint Cinnamon and Unraid. Ive used Linux Lite and it felt like a transition between windows and Mint.
the theme engine of gnome 4 is a clunky copy of the MacOS style with dark and light frames in the same frame, and no support for GTK3 theme engines.
i like Adapta, which in code editors is known as "material oceanic", it is a dark green theme. Gnome 4 makes my desktop into a dog's breakfast of pseudo mac looking garbage.
i'm also very pissed at Gnome devs for the pointless and intrusive Tracker3 search engine back end. it always crawls my massive collections of code and fucks up my ability to work, play games, and generally enjoy use of my computer. Tracker has been a problem since they started that shit in gnome 3. it's idiotic, because for the most part, slocate does the main job of indexing your filesystem, i am more often searching for filenames than wanting to search content, and that's what Tracker3's specialty is.
i just turn it off, forcibly, it always hits me out of the blue after a few weeks running a new installation and i'm so frustrated. i've managed to keep an installation ongoing, but yeah, between the constant mangling of gnome's dconf registry style configuration system (at least as bad as windows registry) and ubuntu's habit of upgrading kernels that are locked in with packages that i can't uninstall, that don't support my video hardware, black screen boot out of the blue, and unhelpfully difficult to access GRUB configuration.
this is why my system now is running arch, cinnamon, themed with adapta, tracker3 is disabled forcibly, as well as in the configuration.
btw, you should see how intrusive tracker3's settings are in dconf.
it's almost like they are putting it in there to spy on us, all they need to do is slide into your user profile via some vulnerable app and they can just snarf tracker's indexes and quickly determine what your business is.
i don't like Mark Shuttleworth, I don't like Gnome Foundation and I don't like the Linux kernel either. all of them are sus as fuck, most likely NSA fronts just like all the rest of tech.
I can understand lots of that is bad (i need to look i to tracker3 now), but what's up with the linux kernel now? If there are important problems with it, I want to know.
mainly just annoying things with the kernel. lots of bug regressions with drivers i think. that can be a security concern but not as obviously intentional as tracker.
It doesn't matter yet, because Nostr is nowhere even close to being ready for casual users. It's also not even finished. Keep it small and focused, and let it slowly build into something great, before we invite the whole world.
Talking in general, not in the present moment 🙏
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In the future it will be necessary, maybe. In the meantime a killer app may happen that will bring in a mass of users organically.
I think that bringing in a mass of normal users too early, before Nostr is feature complete, could give it a bad reputation. Much like satoshi was worried about WikiLeaks using bitcoin too early.
"The project needs to grow gradually so the software can be strengthened along the way. I make this appeal to WikiLeaks not to try to use Bitcoin. Bitcoin is a small beta community in its infancy. You would not stand to get more than pocket change, and the heat you would bring would likely destroy us at this stage.”
oh absolutely agreed 🫂