New Zealand also suffers from this silent problem. Nobody notices. People dying from being sick or old is so normal, and it's impossible to see that many of these people could have lived much longer if the medical system worked better.... but you can reason it out.

I don't have a major problem with pooling our money (taxes) in order to socialize the cost of medical care. I don't want to force that on others, so doing it by government fiat is IMHO the wrong idea... but it is not my biggest gripe. My biggest problem is that we have a lack of competition, of incentives, and medical staff don't get paid much by the government. So we get sub-par people who keep making the same money and are at no risk of losing their jobs despite how poorly they execute their duties.... a recipe for worse and worse medical care.

That being said, often times you get lucky... you get a good doctor or good nurse who is very qualified and does an excellent job, despite the incentives.

Also in NZ most well off people have private medical insurance and use private providers when they can (but still have to pay taxes to subsidize the stuff they don't use).

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Government in FORCE. It is not people voluntarily pooling there money for some cause which they can easily do privately. Government takes without needing your permission. Government takes a huge cut as well and cannot help but be corrupt with such involuntary power concentration. Before government owned or monpolized so much of medicine and healthcare there were things like voluntary Mutual Aid societies.

I get that. And I agree. But I didn't want to derail my point which if you read my post was about market forces, not about abuse of the power of government.

We gave government the right to use force because there is no other counter to criminals using force. We didn't give them this very serious power in order to force people to participate in collective action, or do any other whistful thing some politician thinks up. They abuse our consent and now control us as tax slaves. And I am 100% against this. But also I don't have any hope that any nation of people could ever actually hold their government to account once you cede to them this power, unless those people were culturally very special, very like-minded, and very ornery.

And in conclusion I think that people aren't ornery enough anymore.

What do banks use to counter criminals using force?

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Not counting inflation, they don't use our tax dollars.

We are the counter to criminals using force. Much easier to defend against criminals instead of out of control government that claims right to kill you if you resist and also claims it can not be held liable if it does not defend you from criminals. Oh and also takes half of what we earn in protection money for no guarantee of protection. Yeah we really need the because.. criminals. We need more like minded, ornery pro-freedom people for sure!