This entire thing of hiding options below "advanced" toggles is so wrong. Who knows what is advanced? What does "advanced" even mean?
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Above average
Then a layer deeper is...
Dun dun dun
Developer options!
🤭Yeah, even with printer options
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Mostly due to keeping the most used settings at the top level and hiding settings that a normal user would consider “advanced”
Maybe “More Options” would be a better option
Down to basics. My philosophy with coding is always hard code the least amount of things that makes sense. There are a lot of things most developers would hardcode that are "advance" settings. Where is the line of what should be a configurable variable?
No it’s not wrong. Just depends on your audience. If you’re building for devs then they may not care but others would get confused.
Developers have a bias toward their own creations (designers too) but people don’t use products how you want them to.
> people don’t use products how you want them to.
That was my point. All your assumptions are wrong, even if you think you know your audience.
If anything you can only place these labels after observing how many real users use the software in the real world.
What do you think we do that causes us to hide things from people ….
My definition would be:
anything goes in there that would lead to the dev feeling bad about a thing if a noob using the software fucked themselves over with a feature that was not tucked behind a “don’t go here unless you know your shit” wall, also known as the advanced menu. Also has become, settings not needed by most people. 🤷♂️
Just depends on the audience and function. If this is a critical feature then it doesn’t have to be hidden or can be abstracted away to just work.
Hard to talk about this without a specific detail. But easy to generalize.
Indeed. Just my general definition of what I’d expect to put/find behind the advanced category.
That's exactly what user research is for. You talk with users and you test prototypes. That's how you know what to hide or abstract
I prefer toggle pattern.
Who are you building for?
If you don't know, it's probably advanced.
I’ve now come to accept that 99% of all people are retarded and only want one button!
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It means idiots beware. Enter with caution.
I think the builder decides what's advanced and what's not 🧐
“Advanced” is a measure of lower frequency of use. It obviously applies differently to specific user bases, and its usefulness is inversely proportional to how actively interested the user is in using the product and how knowledgeable he is about the field in which he operates.
It's just a simplified UI to avoid errors and abandoning by confusion.
You know it by researching.