Nostr Web Client

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago 💬 69

Web of Trust Relay:

This relay looks at who you follow, and who they follow, and saves every note in this trust network automatically.

I added it as my only relay in amethyst and spam is now completely gone.

Anyone in my web of trust can use my relay:

wss://wot.utxo.one

But the much better solution for nostr is to run your own WoT relay

https://github.com/bitvora/wot-relay

ps I'm faster than nostr:nprofile1qqsrhuxx8l9ex335q7he0f09aej04zpazpl0ne2cgukyawd24mayt8gprfmhxue69uhhq7tjv9kkjepwve5kzar2v9nzucm0d5hszxmhwden5te0wfjkccte9emk2um5v4exucn5vvhxxmmd9us2xuyp

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47 1y ago

👀

cuban 1y ago

I can't see this note because I muted wss:/

the axiom 1y ago

genius

m4dire0701 1y ago

Is it because replyguy? If so you could use a different expression like "on wss://" and "from wss://"

cuban 1y ago

he changed the algo so people updated their filters, it was more to alert utxo of the irony of people filtering what may solve their problem 🤙

node 1y ago

😂😂🤌🏾

plebiANON 1y ago

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EVERYTHING 1y ago

This is some next gen shit right here

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PermaNerd 🌱 💻 1y ago

Faster running?

VΔz 1y ago

Dumb Relay era Ended Today.

since Reply/Guy fucked public #nostr relay so hard and gossip model on client made it worse with every spam note being forwarded to other relay over and over.

Now now, it's time for Smart Relay.

#siamstr

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the axiom 1y ago

but now you will never see messages from people you don't know already?

jeff 1y ago

No you would still see new people because it includes the people you follow and everyone they follow

sudocarlos 1y ago

Thank you!

𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

I’m gonna do a nostr:npub1z0lcg9p2v5nzg5fycxq0k56ze6snp42clmrafzqpn5w6u74v5x9q708ldk later on & try n set it up while screen sharing n see if any devs r around to help walk me thru it

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

Tag me when u do

𝕾𝖊𝖗 𝕾𝖑𝖊𝖊𝖕𝖞 1y ago

Saylesssssssss

Braydon Fuller 1y ago

This could be an interesting feature for a local relay like Citrine nostr:nprofile1qqs827g8dkd07zjvlhh60csytujgd3l9mz7x807xk3fewge7rwlukxgpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgswaehxw309ahx7um5wghx6mmd9usjfpck for caching purposes — notes would load very quick and would save bandwidth too.

node 1y ago

Does it blast notes as well?

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

Nope no blasties

node 1y ago

Ok no pew pew. Added ✅

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

You won’t be able to welcome any noobs until someone in your network follows them though

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

I think it’s better to filter client side. For example, I can browse my feed using Coracle with less spam notes because of WoT, but I can easily hop over to another client to welcome noobs.

the axiom 1y ago

do you use coracle as your daily driver?

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago 💬 1

Nah. I mostly use Damus and my fork of Primal.

https://primalfork.vercel.app

The Daniel 🖖 1y ago

Do you think you can fix the bug where Primal always adds an extra space before every tagged npub?

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

I’ll can look into it tomorrow

rabble 1y ago

What did you change in your nostr fork?

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

I mainly forked it cause there’s a major bug that makes the site unusable for me with this account and they’re not responding to issues and PRs. So I fixed the bug, made the like button a 🤙 instead of ❤️, and made it possible to zap with other wallets besides Alby.

NotBiebs and 69 others 1y ago

I was also working on displaying the actual emojis used in reactions, but ran into an issue

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skretcode 1y ago

Is it possible to run this on nostr:npub1aghreq2dpz3h3799hrawev5gf5zc2kt4ch9ykhp9utt0jd3gdu2qtlmhct over Tor?

ricko 1y ago

👊

Derek Ross 1y ago

hmm. i have the perfect domain for this 😉

President Ben 1y ago 💬 2

Lokal funktioniert es auch super mit Docker. Much love <3

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pinkyjay 1y ago

this is nifty!

DZC 1y ago

👀

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ohhh

Protect this man ^

👀

Added this as my outbox, inbox, global and spam-safe relay on https://github.com/mikedilger/gossip.

I don't have a relay with my own WoT, so I rely on dWoT (delegated web-of-trust). I also use 140.f7z.io, which is filtered by nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft's WoT.

daniele 1y ago

Cool!

Boog 1y ago

Added!!

fiatjaf 1y ago

At least add a home page to this thing, if I try to open it on a browser it I just get a standard 404 message.

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

Argh that involves css tho

Proudmuslim 1y ago

Who said it has to? Just take a screenshot of nostr:npub180cvv07tjdrrgpa0j7j7tmnyl2yr6yr7l8j4s3evf6u64th6gkwsyjh6w6's complaint and make it the home page

fiatjaf 1y ago

Why? It doesn't have to. Not even HTML, you can do plaintext like https://labour.fiatjaf.com/ or https://countries.fiatjaf.com/

Justin 1y ago

I'm just a dumb welder but I can spin up a landing page with chat GPT in about 2 minutes. There really is no excuse anymore.

ManiMe 1y ago

That’s funny. nostr:npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3 and I are working with nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h on a similar project right now …. Something in the aire.

ManiMe 1y ago

Hey nostr:npub1utx00neqgqln72j22kej3ux7803c2k986henvvha4thuwfkper4s7r50e8 … so like, SOME people I follow are prolific followers…

How does your relay keep bots and bad actors out of the follows follows list?

Do you do any additional calculations … or naw?

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

It doesn't calculate anything more. It counts on you to follow quality people

ManiMe 1y ago

👀

david 1y ago

So I’m guessing the way bitvora works is I run my own bitvora WoT relay, use only that one relay, turn on global feed in any client and I see content from my follows + their follows- is that right?

Kinda a cool idea. We could do that, but with lots more options.

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

Yep it can work for global or follows only.

I follow about 1500 people and my network is about 55,000 people after the graph populates, so pretty sure I'm catching almost everything on one relay

ManiMe 1y ago

That’s a LOT of “trust” …

david 1y ago

Is there a setting for me to see follows + their follows + their follows? Or N hops?

david 1y ago

This would be an alternative to the NIP-51 list export.

Have a simple control panel with a dual slider for the Grapevine WoT score, to set the max value and min value. See only content from users in that range. 🤔

ManiMe 1y ago

Dammit david!! Not even built the first two use cases and already someone comes along and suggests another!!

Good thing we have nostr:npub10npj3gydmv40m70ehemmal6vsdyfl7tewgvz043g54p0x23y0s8qzztl5h on our team with a whole bunch of relay.tools to play with!!! 👀

david 1y ago

Haha yes the possibilities are endless!

But they will all use the core library we’re working on right now! 🤓

ManiMe 1y ago

the axiom 1y ago

is that library FOSS?

david 1y ago

Yup. The algo is similar in some respects to PageRank, but with a few very important changes. It’s implemented right now at grapevine.my but it’s embedded in react, so we’ve just started the process of rewriting the algo as a standalone js library. Might do other languages after that, haven’t decided yet.

david 1y ago

Here’s a geeky overview of the grapevine algo where I draw comparisons to PageRank and make the case for the differences between PageRank and “GrapeRank.” Specifically, why the introduction of a nonlinear term is unavoidable.

https://habla.news/u/david@bitcoinpark.com/1725006462512

ManiMe 1y ago

🍇 GrapeRank 🍇

fiatjaf 1y ago

This looks pretty good but I am currently unable to read the mathematics part.

ManiMe 1y ago

Honestly … I needed a personal walkthrough to grasp it for myself … but that’s prolly just because I’m dense.

Maybe we can do a live stream presentation of the GrapeRank mechanics at some point … nostr:npub1u5njm6g5h5cpw4wy8xugu62e5s7f6fnysv0sj0z3a8rengt2zqhsxrldq3 ?

david 1y ago

I’d be happy to do that. Might work best to have someone else as host who can ask questions as I attempt to explain how the math works and why it is what it is.

Right now I’m writing up the idea of the “grapevine worldview” which lets you visualize the sources of information (follows, mutes, lists, notes, etc) and how they are processed in multiple stages by the grapevine to provide answers to whatever questions we are interested in. That may help to clarify why the grapevine WoT score needs to function as a *weight*. By weight, I mean: how *loud* is someone’s voice on some given topic? We want to screen out the bots, but we don’t want to make it a popularity contest, and the math is chosen so it strikes the right balance.

zhenya 1y ago

nice. relay added

Sherry 1y ago

In the future there will be a faster than fiatjaf index to replace GitHub stars as a main matrix to measure developers performance

General Kenobi 1y ago

Feels like Vexl