The Bitcoiner community itself has become a lucrative business, thousands of vapid podcasts that in turn have sponsors of different kinds or look at the Bitcoin conferences.

This is not bad, all business is good but you must take it into account, we return to my maxim of life is a conjunction of interests.

You will not see podcast promoting Robosats, but you will see podcast promoting HodlHodl (KYC business even if they say they don't).

You won't see podcasts advertising hardware wallets free of secure elements, few will tell you the truth that from a technical and cryptographic point of view a Trezor T with SD protection is more secure with a coldcard.

I never saw anyone promoting joinmarket, I did see many criticisms of joinmarket from people who don't have enough technical knowledge and repeating Samourai's propaganda book.

Most podcasts will tell you a lot of lies that frankly hurt the community, so be careful, as I say Bitcoin has become a business for the Bitcoiners themselves and whoever can take advantage of others.

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True words. Just like everywhere, few will be able to dig deep.

Don’t trust, verify is easier said than done…

I think you are right that there is an element of marketing in almost all podcasts, buyer beware and robosats is amazing. I need to check join market. Quick question what is SD protection? Thanks

Trezor being an open architecture, at least until Trezor T, has a “bug” that allows you to extract the seed and once extracted you can brute force attack the pin.

This was solved with the secure SD function where the seed encryption key is the pin + key on the SD card (256 bits).

The attacker needs to have both (pin + sd) or it is technically impossible to brute force decrypt the seed given the length of the key.

Thank you Sir much appreciated

Thank you very much. I'll investigate more into robosats. I use bisq. What's the difference between robosats ans hodlhodl? They both look similar from the outside. And why secure element is bad? I have jade but never trusted secure element. I just enter the keywords every time I use it ans never use bt.

Bisq and Robosats do not have KYC of any kind and are totally private.

HodlHodl is a company that collects the data of its users, you can read it in their privacy conditions.

https://accounts.hodlhodl.com/privacy-policy

As for Jade in my opinion is the best hardware wallet on the market, at least from the cryptographic point of view, when in doubt multi-sign if you know where you get.

Trezor is so aware that secure elements are an element of trust that it has kept the secure sd function in its Trezor 5 model with secure element.

When someone doesn't talk about this transparently it just comes across to me as a scammer.

There are also many critics of Jade because they call their virtual protection secure element mocking that it does not have secure element when it is one of the most elegant solutions in the industry for this problem.

Jade simply uses a multi-signature model to protect the seed (Local + remote server), thus avoiding having to use a secure element.

I never listen to this discussion on podcast.

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0 Bitcoin podcasts per week 👍

That's usually plenty for me

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And lately they promote tether scam

The old "Tether is a great Bitcoin business" BS

It's sad to see supposed Bitcoiners promoting this tether crap, especially since they will get paid in tether 😂

it takes time for people to figure out what “scam” is… it takes patience… trust the process ✨

Most podcasts are just zoom calls with ads? 🤷‍♂️

Why people here often mention robosats but very rarely bisq?

More simplicity of use, but Bisq is still king.

I've promoted JoinMarket at a side-event of Bitcoin Amsterdam 2024, together with my own WabiSabi coordinator https://coinjoin.nl, which doesn't ask coordination fees (as was the case with zksnacks before).

Perhaps this is a sign of the times, as Bitcoin is now in a sort of transitional phase. The global goal of the Satoshi era — building the pillars to an alternative to fiat — has been technically achieved, but the inner movement now splits and focuses on local (rather than global) emphasis: one path leads to a Bitcoin-native business ecosystem (as per your explanation), the other back to cypherpunk ideals. Meanwhile, institutions now adopt Bitcoin without roots in its original culture. The pioneers have faded into the background — perhaps only temporarily — before the future wave of global hyperbitcoinization.

This is exactly why we need to be critical of who’s speaking and why. The Bitcoin space, like any other, is prone to manipulation for profit. It’s up to us to sift through the commercial noise and make sure we’re supporting true decentralization and security, not just the loudest voice with the best sponsorship deal.

100%, do not trust, verify. Do your homework and find out for yourself.