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Kevin the Barbarian
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Replying to Avatar Katie

Pretty much everything under the umbrella of spiritually, for one. Beliefs about what a family should look like. What someone believes is right for their children. What someone believes are appropriate boundaries or limitations for engagement with others. Most things in life aren’t black and white, and it’s ok if we don’t all have the same definitions/goals/beliefs. In fact, battling to push beliefs as universal ideals have created a significant amount of harm historically.

I think of ML models such as deep nets are a good metaphor for this, sometimes the weights converge in roughly the same spots every time if left to train long enough. Most of the time, they don’t - the data is too complex, or there are unknowns. The patterns it picks up are valid, but they’re a byproduct of their journey. They get stuck in local minima and sometimes it takes awhile to get out of that space, sometimes they never do. One model may be more “right” than another.. but only if we can agree on the metric that we use to assess that, which usually there is not a single one or it’s measuring the wrong thing, or our target variable is flawed. Especially when it comes to encoding, which is what humans are doing every day.

Most probability density functions are simplified estimates based on limited observations. You can use something like a KDE to more accurately model distributions, but they’re highly sensitive to the data they’ve observed. Universal truth is more rare than not.

Even gravity, which we had a mathematical equation for on earth, was proven to be only valid… on earth. And the “true” model is more sophisticated when you looked outside of earth - which is when the theory of relativity was created. We are all estimating reality through our own observations and those that we collect from others. It’s unreasonable to assume we all have or should have identical encodings.

When we say "right" or "true" we can sometimes mean something factual (it rained yesterday), or something moral (it's wrong to murder), but other times we are talking about the right strategy, or the right mental model.

I like the humility (is that the right word?) in your description of this. But when people say "my truth" and "your truth" I think sometimes they are allowing themselves to be content with a local minima (philosophically) because it feels good to them rather than seeking the truth in a more universal sense. Like your example of gravity, there are layers or contexts to truth where a mental model works within boundaries, but needs to expand when more contexts are considered.

Are we, as humans, seeking a good-enough mental model and retreating to a context where that model bears fruit, or are we reaching for greater understanding of the universe, and staying "on the road" toward the truth as much as we are able to?

Replying to Avatar Lyn Alden

The Montana state legislature voted to ban TikTok in the state. The bill would prevent a company from allowing people in Montana to download the app.

https://leg.mt.gov/bills/2023/billpdf/SB0419.pdf

The bill states that the reasoning is because 1) China is an adversary to the U.S. and 2) TikTok promotes harmful behavior and collects data on users.

It was sponsored by a Republican and mostly passed by Republicans. Most Democrats opposed it but were outvoted. It still needs to be signed by the governor, and it would be open to court challenges.

I don't like TikTok, but that's not a promising snapshot for where lawmakers are in terms of software control.

Yes - ban the action not the actor. Whatever they think the app is doing (siphoning data / spying / etc) ban those things.

Yes. Freedom of speech is essential as it enables the search for the truth. But as a society, we will fail if we aren't actually searching for the truth. The freedom is essential but not sufficient.

But society has to have some common values - for example, is it child abuse to transition your child, or to refuse to do so? Or do parents just own their children for any purpose? A decision has to be made on this kind of question, you can't have it all ways.